DBZ Characters being lightspeed and whatnot.

IT's hard to tell since dbz/gt is full of plot holes.Such as cell puching mr satan and having mr satan live and master roshi stating that he could pick up a mountain but having ssj4 goku who is around 500 billion times stronger can't even lift a building.plot holes a filler to keep fans entertained with it's comedy aside from the action and scales of power set by the main story line makign it hard to compare dbz charecters to marvel charecters without elaborate reshearch.

What are you even talking about?

That kinda explained why it's hard to tell how dbz ppl are going when they fly. And how hard they punch. SSj4 goku couldn't lift a building When in dragonball master Roshi talked about how he coul lift mountians while he is about 500 billion times weaker than ssj4 goku.

It's been a long, long time since I've been the vanguard of these types of threads on KMC, but for old time's sake, DBZ characters cannot move at light-speed. The Anime should not be used, and these types of debates should be avoided as the manga is inconsistent with itself that deciphering a clear answer is all but impossible.

I don't remember Roshi ever saying he could lift a mountain. He destroyed a mountain with his Kamehameha, though.

Huh. Very interesting topic. I once posted a theory I developed on another forum. Here it is.

"Here's something else I'm sure most of you know.

Objects moving at extreme speed and/or with extremely high amounts of energy (related, since high speeds require high energy) warp time around them, in fact, the slow it.

o_O

I think you know where I'm going with this.

This may also help explain why fights in DBZ appear to occur at the same rate (or why the spectators can make ANYTHING out during the Cell games, while they had an equal amount of trouble during the DB tournaments), while outside the the time warp, time is slowed for the fighters, (While it may seem fast, speaking volumes for their sheer velocity), inside the time-warp, time moves at what seems normal, and the weaker being is overcome by the time/space shift that they can't keep up with the opponent.

Basically, what I'm saying is, with the stupendous amount of energy Gotenks was putting out, with the resulting almost complete halt of time (and the trail of energy he was leaving would slow time behind him), to appear to be moving that fast, he would have been moving FAR beyond the speed of light (which, according to the results of an experiment performed by 2 german scientists, is not as impossible as one would think).

And this is not limited to Gotenks, in reality, the energy attacks should be traveling as fast as light particles, so, at least in terms of reflexes, that dub line about Raditz may not have been so ridiculous (especially since the energy from the Makankosappo should have slowed Raditz, but he was already around that level, which may have been what surprised Piccolo...

So discuss, and tell me what you think."

Instant Transmission is light speed, which can appear instant depending on your point of view (according to the Theory of Relativity).
And raditz wouldn't need to be faster than the speed of light to avoid Piccolo's attack- just fast enough to move his head out of the way before the beam reached him. Even if the beam was travelling at the speed of light, unless it's at point blank range Raditz isn't necessarily faster than light.

IT is a lot faster than Light Speed.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
The Broly movie is noncanon.

shows canon ability.

Why isn't GT canon? I mean, Toriyama produced the series even if he didn't write it himself.

Originally posted by jimBOFH
Why isn't GT canon? I mean, Toriyama produced the series even if he didn't write it himself.

cause its shit. and thats a good enough reason for me.

Well...fair enough.
Also, IT couldn't be faster than Light Speed. Otherwise, Goku would be able to travel back in time using it- or at least it would seem that way from one point of view. Things get weird at faster-than-light speeds, unless you actually travel through a different medium (e.g. hyperspace)

Your trying to use science on a anime that has talking animals that can shapeshift, is in a different universe Akira created himself not even based on our Earth or universe, has ships that travel faster than light, has dinosaurs, and flying cars? Besides IT is instant. It's a lot faster than light when it can instantly go from Earth to Namek.

Originally posted by jimBOFH
Well...fair enough.
Also, IT couldn't be faster than Light Speed. Otherwise, Goku would be able to travel back in time using it- or at least it would seem that way from one point of view. Things get weird at faster-than-light speeds, unless you actually travel through a different medium (e.g. hyperspace)

Thats comics for you. but now that you mention hyperspace, IT was going through something like that in the Cooler movie.

Since when do the spaceships in DBZ travel faster than light? And if you were travelling at light speed you would not perceive the passage of time- it would be instant. And although all fictional texts demand the willing suspension of disbelief, if you try to explain everything through "magic" or "advanced technology" without introducing it in advance or properly establishing it, and it seems illogical, then it's not going to work. So yes, i'm applying science to those areas of DBZ where it should be applicable based on the world Toriyama has created.

Originally posted by jimBOFH
Since when do the spaceships in DBZ travel faster than light? And if you were travelling at light speed you would not perceive the passage of time- it would be instant. And although all fictional texts demand the willing suspension of disbelief, if you try to explain everything through "magic" or "advanced technology" without introducing it in advance or properly establishing it, and it seems illogical, then it's not going to work. So yes, i'm applying science to those areas of DBZ where it should be applicable based on the world Toriyama has created.

IT is faster than light, its taken Goku to new namek instantly, when it takes 8 minutes for light from the sun to reach earth.

Yes, but instant from whose point of view? Either it's instant from Goku's point of view but only light speed in terms of how long the Z fighters on earth spend waiting for him, or, he would appear to arrive on Namek before he left earth.

Instant from everyones. New Namek is in a whole other part of the galaxy. It would have took plenty of time even at light speed.

If it's instant from everyone's, either he's not actually moving through space, or that's a contradiction.

Originally posted by jimBOFH
Since when do the spaceships in DBZ travel faster than light? And if you were travelling at light speed you would not perceive the passage of time- it would be instant. And although all fictional texts demand the willing suspension of disbelief, if you try to explain everything through "magic" or "advanced technology" without introducing it in advance or properly establishing it, and it seems illogical, then it's not going to work. So yes, i'm applying science to those areas of DBZ where it should be applicable based on the world Toriyama has created.

Then in the Freeza saga the namekian ship got the Jupiter nearly instantly and was able to make the journey to Namek in three months. And Dr. Briefs upgraded a saiyan space pod to just make it there in a week.

http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/214/dragon_ball/chapter.16014/page.6/

And this is how long Bulma said it would take to get to Namek with a human spacecraft.