i think you guys are looking for sense in a movie that pretty much threw that out of the window in the first movie itself. i mean after all that wankfest about "hybrids" all the guy did in one was get his ass handed to him by victor.......someone who lost to simple lycan lucian. good thing lucian didn't stick around to see his 600 years of planning go ass up on his face because from what the movie shows: werewolf+vampire=wusswolf
~Sado
Just saw it, was pleased. Not surprised at anything, exactly what I was expecting a big, dumb, fun, intense action flick. Blood and fighting from wall to wall, exactly what I wanted in every way.
I don't tend to like this sort of mindless entertainment but having watched a lot of oscar calibre, thought provoking films this was perfect.
7/10 (bad movie that did its' task perfectly)
Originally posted by Gideon
It still ****ed up the first movie's plot spectacularly. You think Viktor might have been tired?
Originally posted by Menetnashté
My guess is Viktor improved over the centuries or Lucien got weaker. But yeah Viktor got a beat down from his daughter and Lucian, that sucked especially since he was the best
Honestly? I think it was an off day. I mean, Viktor did demonstrate superior strength and speed (which is something I don't think ancient vampires can improve). But perhaps he improved his skill over time. In either case, Lucian concluded by the first movie that he needed to become a hybrid in order to kill Viktor, so on an average day, Viktor would likely beat his ass.
Originally posted by MenetnashtéWell, I thought about this and assumed Viktor wasn't trying to kill his daughter, Viktor may have been a @sshole be he loved Sonya alot. And against Lucian the sunlight may have been working against Viktor.
My guess is Viktor improved over the centuries or Lucien got weaker. But yeah Viktor got a beat down from his daughter and Lucian, that sucked especially since he was the best
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Well, I thought about this and assumed Viktor wasn't trying to kill his daughter, Viktor may have been a @sshole be he loved Sonya alot. And against Lucian the sunlight may have been working against Viktor.
Originally posted by Menetnashté
Yeah that is possible, he seemed way more defensive in his fight with sonya, didn't even think about it at the time. And though the sun played a large role in the final battle I think Lucian may still have won the fight,
he might not be the stronger of the two but I do believe Lucian is the better swordsman.
Well, the way I look at it is like this: during his battle with Sonja, when it actually came down to a physical contest -- he was clearly and demonstrably stronger. I think he even dislocated her shoulder (anyone remember?). But, unlike Viktor, Sonja was out kicking Lycan ass on a day-to-day basis with a sword; Viktor was politicking in the safety of the Council chambers.
So while he is undoubtably stronger than either Lucian or Sonja, he likely wasn't (at the time) as skilled as either of them as a swordsman.
Just watched the movie. I liked it but I have had the same problem with this movie as I've had with the other two. That being huge build-ups with disappointing execution of them. Although in this movie it wasn't quite as bad it was still there.
Like the hybrid in the first one, or Williams in the second one. I was expecting Viktor to come unto the scene and start laying some serious smack down. I mean in the first movie he beat a Lycan with his bare hands. So I guess I was expecting a little more from Lucian and Viktor's fight at the end.
Oh well still a good movie.
I think it was maybe because Lucian was a better swordsman, or was just superior in strength. It's not hard to imagine Lucian being the strongest of the two.
In any case, I really enjoyed the movie, as I did the other two. I saw it opening day and absolutely loved it, I think it's the best of the Underworld films yet. 9/10
You've also got to realize that the first movie was hundreds of years after this one, and he was much older than Raze, and the other werewolves he killed, which gave him proportionally greater strength.
Even though he is older than Lucian, Lucian was the progenitor or the transformable lycans, so he is more than likely the strongest there will ever be.
Exactly. More experience can also equal a better fighter in the long run, and that's likely what happened with Viktor, hence why he was able to kill Raze so easily.
As for Lucian, I do think he's the strongest Lycan there is because he's the first Lycan, actually. Plus, by him being trained by Viktor's finest, that helps add to his skill level as a fighter.
Okay, as we all know, most of the time for a movie to sink in you have to see it more than once. I remember a great deal aside from some of the beginning but can anyone tell me if Viktor himself trained Lucian? I know he had his best men train him, but did they ever say if Viktor himself trained him?
I don't think Victor trained him personally, but Victor more than likely trained some of the men who trained Lucian.
And experience does have a great deal to do with a fight. Viktor was far more advanced than Raze, even though he slept for hundreds of years, he still had at least a hundred years exp on Raze and the others. The same thing with Micheal, he was a lycan hybrid, whose speed was enough to seem like he was teleporting, and he was way stronger than Viktor, but because of combat experience and skill, he evened it out.
Well, from what we know, Viktor was nearing 1,000 years in age around the time of the first movie, so if you take the whole hibernation for 100 years into consideration, I'd say he has around 300-600 years of experience on Raze, and Michael as well, of course.
Btw, do you think it's possible that if he can survive being stabbed in the mouth with a sword that he survive having half his head sliced off?
Well when he got stabbed in the mouth, he was very near death, then he healed rather quickly. I think because the sword only penetrated his throat, which is really nothing vital considering he's a vampire, he could heal from it, but when part of his brain was severed, his brain funcitons ceased, and even though healing is automatic, it's still tied into the brain.