The Strongest Jedi&sith Ever

Originally posted by rabidd909
she defeated Darth Nilhilus, Darth Traya, and Darth Sion. a.k.a. the Sith Triumvirate. No small feat, and that was only the bare minimum of her power. she is a living wound in the force. she survived an event that would have destroyed most force users and actually came back from it stronger than before.

Thanks, Hulk rules.

She defeated Darth Nilhilus because she was a wound in the Force. It's like taking Kryptonite to Superman. In terms of raw power, she has shown nothing on par with Darth "I rip starships from gravity wells and hold them together with the Force."Nilhilus

Darth Sion fell to the Exile because he had the hots for her and she broke his will through conversation. It had little to do with raw power, only a clever application of words.

Traya fell because I'm pretty certain Traya couldn't bring herself to kill what she probably considered the most beautiful thing the a galaxy.

In none of these fights, did the Exile come near worth even spit shining the shoes of the rest of those on the list.

Originally posted by Autokrat
She defeated Darth Nilhilus because she was a wound in the Force. It's like taking Kryptonite to Superman. In terms of raw power, she has shown nothing on par with Darth "I rip starships from gravity wells and hold them together with the Force."Nilhilus

Darth Sion fell to the Exile because he had the hots for her and she broke his will through conversation. It had little to do with raw power, only a clever application of words.

Traya fell because I'm pretty certain Traya couldn't bring herself to kill what she probably considered the most beautiful thing the a galaxy.

In none of these fights, did the Exile come near worth even spit shining the shoes of the rest of those on the list.

Exactly, she is a wound in the force. and that in itself is power, not raw power, but great power none the less. how exactly would another force user defeat someone who is a wound in the very thing they wield? she also feeds on death so given enough time her power could be second only to the chosen one. she can also learn fighting styles and techniques simply by seeing them in action so any techniques that are used against her, she can learn.

And to be fair, she defeated Nilhilus by using Visas' bond to him against him. but she obviously has the potential to kill people of his power and greater.

This is my top ten list:
1. Luke
2. Darth Sidious
3. Yoda
4. Darth Bane
5. Naga Sadow
6. Exar Kun
7. Mace Windu
8. Count Dooku
9. Obi-Wan
10. Pre-suit Vader

I might have to edit later...

Originally posted by rabidd909
Exactly, she is a wound in the force. and that in itself is power, not raw power, but great power none the less. how exactly would another force user defeat someone who is a wound in the very thing they wield?

she also feeds on death so given enough time her power could be second only to the chosen one.

she can also learn fighting styles and techniques simply by seeing them in action so any techniques that are used against her, she can learn.

And to be fair, she defeated Nilhilus by using Visas' bond to him against him.

but she obviously has the potential to kill people of his power and greater.

No.

Very much Yes.

Traya fell because I'm pretty certain Traya couldn't bring herself to kill what she probably considered the most beautiful thing the a galaxy.

Speculation. No-one can prove that Traya wasn't going all-out on her and she even make the point to mention that she wouldn't hold back. Traya was a Sith, she doesn't do mercy.
Thus this feat alone should show her to be preety darn powerful, beating someone who can one-shot Jedi masters with laughable ease.

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
Very much Yes.

Speculation. No-one can prove that Traya wasn't going all-out on her and she even make the point to mention that she wouldn't hold back. Traya was a Sith, she doesn't do mercy.
Thus this feat alone should show her to be preety darn powerful, beating someone who can one-shot Jedi masters with laughable ease.

Traya was hardly the perfect Sith in that "she doesn't do mercy". We see her wipe her ass with three Jedi masters as if it's nothing and somehow we are expected to believe that the Exile can then do the same to her?

Even assuming that Traya did do her best to kill the Exile, that still isn't good enough to put the Exile up with some of the more powerful Force users, most of who could crush her. Exar, Bane, Sidious, Dooku, Revan, Sadow, Ragnos, Yoda, Luke and Caedus. Any of those people could probably floor the Exile. So, putting her at number four is ridiculous, she's not even in the top ten.

Traya was hardly the perfect Sith in that "she doesn't do mercy". We see her wipe her ass with three Jedi masters as if it's nothing and somehow we are expected to believe that the Exile can then do the same to her?

Why not? We see the Exile taking on pretty much a whole temple of Sith, including remenants of Revan's (and Malak's) army, including some labeled as 'Sith Lords' among others and then still defeating both Sion and Traya.

And anyway, why would even bother with a fight if she's just going to throw it and throw her life away. If she was going to do that then see'd be smarter to just surrender, and say what you will, Traya's no fool. The whole point of the game (for her)is for Traya to turn one of the disciples into the strong culmination of her teachings, who could defeat her fairly. It makes No sense for her to throw the fight and your whole stance is nothing but wishful thinking and out of character speculation.

Even assuming that Traya did do her best to kill the Exile, that still isn't good enough to put the Exile up with some of the more powerful Force users, most of who could crush her. Exar, Bane, Sidious, Dooku, Revan, Sadow, Ragnos, Yoda, Luke and Caedus. Any of those people could probably floor the Exile. So, putting her at number four is ridiculous, she's not even in the top ten.

Didn't say she was. I was just saying that you shouldn't write her off as a weak, average jedi when everything suggests otherwise.

point out again: that we don't know if the exile took on the academy, or if she just snuck by them.

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
Why not? We see the Exile taking on pretty much a whole temple of Sith, including remenants of Revan's (and Malak's) army, including some labeled as 'Sith Lords' among others and then still defeating both Sion and Traya.

This is nearly as bad as saying that Revan took on the entire might of the SF. Yes, the Exile did fight by herself, but just because we have random models of generic males that say "Sith Lord" does not mean that the Exile hacked her way through a bunch of them.

And anyway, why would even bother with a fight if she's just going to throw it and throw her life away. If she was going to do that then see'd be smarter to just surrender, and say what you will, Traya's no fool. The whole point of the game (for her)is for Traya to turn one of the disciples into the strong culmination of her teachings, who could defeat her fairly. It makes [b]No sense for her to throw the fight and your whole stance is nothing but wishful thinking and out of character speculation.[/b]

I find it very hard to believe that Traya, who had just insta owned three Jedi Masters and is fighting in the core of Malachor V, a place infused with the Dark Side, is not going to be able to kill a light side Jedi fairly easily.

Wow there is still no respect for SK how sad.

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
Speculation. No-one can prove that Traya wasn't going all-out on her and she even make the point to mention that she wouldn't hold back. Traya was a Sith, she doesn't do mercy.

Thus this feat alone should show her to be preety darn powerful, beating someone who can one-shot Jedi masters with laughable ease.

Originally posted by Autokrat
This is nearly as bad as saying that Revan took on the entire might of the SF. Yes, the Exile did fight by herself, but just because we have random models of generic males that say "Sith Lord" does not mean that the Exile hacked her way through a bunch of them.

quote from sith lords about darth sion alone "he is perversion of the dark side as such I have never seen before"

Man the exile also fought nihilist who should be on top of the sith lord list if there is one knocking about. Before I get rebudle on that statement let me just point out that the dude eradicated a entire force sensitive planet nevermind single force users. In fact only a being like the exile " a wound in the force" can even fight him anyone else the more power they got the bigger the snack they are for nihilist. point set and match.....ahh crap my own argument is telling me that exile should be number 1 just cause she is capable of killing nihilist who should be number 2 if this makes sense even though others may be able to kill the exile.

Originally posted by JayJohn85
quote from sith lords about darth sion alone "he is perversion of the dark side as such I have never seen before"

Man the exile also fought nihilist who should be on top of the sith lord list if there is on knocking about. Before I get rebudle on that statement let me just point out that the dude eradicated a entire force sensitive planet nevermind single force users. In fact only a being like the exile " a wound in the force" can even fight him anyone else the more power they got the bigger the snack they are for nihilist. point set and match.....ahh crap my own argument is telling me that exile should be number 1 just cause she is capable of killing nihilist who should be number 2 if this makes sense even though others may be able to kill the exile.

This is a poor attempt of an argument to defend the Exile. The fact is that the Exile's nature is Nihilus's weakness. Yes Nihilus wiped out an enitre planet, he is beast in the force and is imo second to Sidious only in that nature. Just because the Exile defeated a weakened and hungry Nihilus doesn't put her in the top 3 or 5 jedi to have ever existed. Without her ability Nihilus would wtfpwn her as easily as he stunned her. There are quite a bit of characters that can take her out, hell Nihilus could probably do it without his drain technique.

Dude nihilist is a beast by definition because of his ability which could kill sidious as well no force user is immune except the exile. Nihilist otherwise was mediocre in normal force techniques and light saber combat which the exile bested him in...when it comes to that yes many can kill the exile. So thats basically means you got to change the list to factor in situations and time era because quite frankly a galaxy with nihilist in it and no exile is an all you can eat buffet for him.

In defense of my bold statements of nihilist I am assuming much but then again I assume so because there deposed master was dissapointed with both of them. Thats kreia btw.

PS> Also since in the game you can master most light and dark side techniques including a special towards the end putting you on a power with revan game wise, And still be able to do this at malachor V....For example go around force crushing everyone is a pretty good example I think of why they should be in the top 5 hows that for an argument? Sidious ever display anything else except maybe force manipulation and lightening?.....Yoda with force absorbtion and force manipulation(moving things). Know of no known example of sidious force crushing in fact this was more akin to vaders who could have been much greater if he had but training I dont think sidious taught him anything quite frankly due to fear.

Originally posted by JayJohn85
Nihilist otherwise was mediocre in normal force techniques and light saber combat which the exile bested him in...when it comes to that yes many can kill the exile.

Originally posted by JayJohn85
Dude nihilist is a beast by definition because of his ability which could kill sidious as well no force user is immune except the exile. Nihilist otherwise was mediocre in normal force techniques and light saber combat which the exile bested him in...when it comes to that yes many can kill the exile. So thats basically means you got to change the list to factor in situations and time era because quite frankly a galaxy with nihilist in it and no exile is an all you can eat buffet for him.

In defense of my bold statements of nihilist I am assuming much but then again I assume so because there deposed master was dissapointed with both of them. Thats kreia btw.

PS> Also since in the game you can master most light and dark side techniques including a special towards the end putting you on a power with revan game wise, And still be able to do this at malachor V....For example go around force crushing everyone is a pretty good example I think of why they should be in the top 5 hows that for an argument? Sidious ever display anything else except maybe force manipulation and lightening?.....Yoda with force absorbtion and force manipulation(moving things). Know of no known example of sidious force crushing in fact this was more akin to vaders who could have been much greater if he had but training I dont think sidious taught him anything quite frankly due to fear.

Clearly you do not know much about Sidious.

Sidious used the dark side to corrupt the entire planet Byss, and dominate the wills of the inhabitants there. He also fed off their life energy. So he to can drain planets of their life force.

When has Nihilus ever ravage a city lightyears away, or nearly crush entire starfleets with a wormhole? No sith lord has ever shown the kind of power or force mastery as Sidious has.

Sidious>Nihilus

Concurring with Faunus: Nihilus gets some bad press, but he's a monster.

Originally posted by JayJohn85
Dude nihilist is a beast by definition because of his ability which could kill sidious as well no force user is immune except the exile. Nihilist otherwise was mediocre in normal force techniques and light saber combat which the exile bested him in....

Mediocre in force? This is a guy who tore the Ravager, a 1200 meter Centurion-class battle cruiser out of the gravity well on Malachor V. He pwnd kreia with a wave of his hand and stunned the Exile's entire party leaving them defenseless. Also, the Exile bested Nihilus with help Visas and Mandalore not in one on one combat.

So thats basically means you got to change the list to factor in situations and time era because quite frankly a galaxy with nihilist in it and no exile is an all you can eat buffet for him.

Originally posted by JayJohn85
Dude nihilist is a beast by definition because of his ability which could kill sidious as well no force user is immune except the exile. Nihilist otherwise was mediocre in normal force techniques and light saber combat which the exile bested him in...when it comes to that yes many can kill the exile. So thats basically means you got to change the list to factor in situations and time era because quite frankly a galaxy with nihilist in it and no exile is an all you can eat buffet for him.

Originally posted by JayJohn85

In defense of my bold statements of nihilist I am assuming much but then again I assume so because there deposed master was dissapointed with both of them. Thats kreia btw.

Originally posted by JayJohn85

PS> Also since in the game you can master most light and dark side techniques including a special towards the end putting you on a power with revan game wise,

Originally posted by JayJohn85

And still be able to do this at malachor V....For example go around force crushing everyone is a pretty good example

Originally posted by JayJohn85
I think of why they should be in the top 5 hows that for an argument? Sidious ever display anything else except maybe force manipulation and lightening?

Originally posted by JayJohn85

.....Yoda with force absorbtion and force manipulation(moving things).

Originally posted by JayJohn85
Know of no known example of sidious force crushing in fact this

Originally posted by JayJohn85

was more akin to vaders who could have been much greater if he had but training I dont think sidious taught him anything quite frankly due to fear.