Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Kreia is a manipulative *****.
I'm not agreeing with the dude above, but why Kreia would call Revan the heart of the Force in an attempt to manipulate the Exile does not make sense. Her idea is what constitutes the "heart of the Force" (whatever the **** that means) its of course subjective, but discounting everything she says simply off the fact that she is manipulative would be incorrect.
Originally posted by Autokrat
I'm not agreeing with the dude above, but why Kreia would call Revan the heart of the Force in an attempt to manipulate the Exile does not make sense. Her idea is what constitutes the "heart of the Force" (whatever the **** that means) its of course subjective, but discounting everything she says simply off the fact that she is manipulative would be incorrect.
Kreia held Revan up as an example to be emulated. (her 'only success'😉 She would want to make him seem very strong, and his path seem very desirable, in the hope that the Exile would follow in his footsteps. Her opinion of Revan's power is biased, and potentially invalid for two reasons:
1. She was using his stature in an attempt to coerce the Exile into following his path.
2. She was biased for Revan. I would be loath to use Kreia as the keystone of any argument. She can by used to show the volume of Revan's accolades (everyone in KotOR 2 praised him at every turn) but I wouldn't use her as anything approaching an objective source.
I aint doing a top ten list nor is this guy really powerful but like most star wars fans that play kotor you always dig them games out again and play them....probably played both about a million times. Anyway back to my point I was playing it and it occured to me to like look up ullec queldroma and nomi sunrider like who where these bad ass guys who had items named after them!
Have to say I found Ullic story to be quite tragic yet really cool and also from the pics I seen nomi being red headed and all (I am irish and have profound weakness for red headed chicks...I know so cliche) just thought yea they both really cool characters that I hope get more extended history, tid bits of info and stuff included in the upcoming game maybe even more items.
Originally posted by Autokrat
I'm not agreeing with the dude above, but why Kreia would call Revan the heart of the Force in an attempt to manipulate the Exile does not make sense. Her idea is what constitutes the "heart of the Force" (whatever the **** that means) its of course subjective, but discounting everything she says simply off the fact that she is manipulative would be incorrect.
well as for that its rather simple isnt it due to the bastardizing in the new movies(sorry lucas) he just must have had a serious midi chlori count or whatever way you spell that....Perhaps greater than vaders though vader didnt have a biological father.
What about Darth Nihilus? He destroyed a whole planet with only the force.
Haven't taken the time to read through all of this, but...
IIRC, Palpatine used a technique mirroring that used by Nihilus on the planet of Byss. Palpatine's version however, unlike Nihilus' version, was under his control. His bizarre "Force Storm" is also pretty powerful.
The problem with calling Nihilus "powerful" is that his power fluctuates. While all fighters tend to have strengths and weaknesses, Nihilus is at the extremes. He's easily one of the most deadly enemies a normal Force user could encounter, but the reason for that also has flaws that make him nearly helpless against other types of opponents.
People cut off from the Force such as the Exile would unintentionally (Or intentionally, if they had foreknowledge of this weakness) turn his most powerful technique against him. Others who can cut themselves off from the Force or make themselves invisible to it such as Luke or Jacen, with foreknowledge, could likely blind him to their presence, making it easy to defeat him.
And then if I'm not mistaken, there are several entire species that are invisible to the Force/outside of the Force that many Jedi/Sith could defeat with little or moderate effort, but that Nihilus would struggle with greatly because they'd basically be invisible to him.
Originally posted by VinCon01
Yes, I know what Palpatine was doing to Byss. Which is basically my point. He's essentially using the technique in a far more controlled manner, rather than suffering from the addictive tendencies that Nihilus displays.
Palpatine's transformation of Byss into what was once a neutral planet into "one of the most powerful dark side sites in the galaxy" is nothing short of truly extraordinary. Keep in mind that the Ultimate Visual Guide and other sources explicitly state that Palpatine was secluded on Coruscant and "rarely left his palace," ruling the Empire through proxies and aides such as Sate Pestage. Despite this, the Wizards of the Coast article credits Palpatine's own "dark side energies" with Byss's planetary descent to the dark side. That means, quite simply, that his energies were either potent enough to taint it from Coruscant or that he was able to do so in the very few occasions that he was personally there.
Something else to consider is the effect that he had on Byss's twenty billion inhabitants; the aforementioned article states that the citizens were "almost mindless" under the Emperor's dark side influence and their energies were drained to prolong his own life and for various experiments.
I can't think of such a powerful demonstration of Force mastery that rivals it, off of the top of my head. Though I'm sure if I did, it would probably be another one of his feats.
1 question Gideon, are you attempting to pass of Byss's transformation directly to Palpatine's strength in the dark side? A natural side effect of his power?
And mastery is measured primarily through control, and Bane's subatomic manipulations with the Force remains the greatest such display by miles.