Surfer's energy blasts vs Superman's Heat vision

Originally posted by darthgoober
abhi, you're mixing up me with yourself. You're the one who loves to play the lowball game...

What about that is lowballing?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Also back on topic, what is omitted from Surfer "black hole" creating blast is that Ravenous and the seekers survived the same blast and came out of the same black hole.

That's why space cheese is irrelevant. If Surfer had even koed Ravenous with that blast, I could find it impressive. As it is, its another smokescreen with little value in terms of relative power levels.

The seekers were shown and stated to have survived the blast and the black hole.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Like it or not, cheese or not, feats are feats man. And feats matter on KMC regardless of how much you hate that fact.

Originally posted by abhilegend
What about that is lowballing?

The seekers were shown and stated to have survived the blast and the black hole.

Well you're saying that since the Seekers survived it takes away from the blast's impressiveness. Basically what you said I would do in regards to the Supes/DS instance, it lowers Surfer's feat rather than simply qualifying as a really good feat for the Seekers.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So Superman still trumps Surfer in terms of raw power? Because helping to create a big bang is infinitely more impressive than creating a black hole, wouldn't you agree?

Of course not, it's an quantifiable joint/group feat. Like Thor and Herc sealing a rift in space by punching each others fists from opposite ends of the portal Supes, WW, and MM moving the Spectre.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Well you're saying that since the Seekers survived it takes away from the blast's impressiveness. Basically what you said I would do in regards to the Supes/DS instance, it lowers Surfer's feat rather than simply qualifying as a really good feat for the Seekers.

Because Seekers weren't shown to be that powerful. A weakened Firelord fought Ravenous to double KO.

While omega beams have some incredible showings in terms of power.

Of course not, it's an quantifiable joint/group feat. Like Thor and Herc sealing a rift in space by punching each others fists from opposite ends of the portal Supes, WW, and MM moving the Spectre.

Hahaha, right. So creating a big bang in a group isn't more impressive than creating a black hole.

What you described are planetary feats. What Superman and the group did was at least universal level. Even you can't be this dumb to think Surfer creating a black hole is somehow more impressive because it was done alone.

Surfer fans everyone.

'Creating a big bang'

Firing his energy alongside others towards an entity that then altered the energies with a chronal mix and then fired it all at something else?

How the hell do you even quantify that?
The fact that the energy from all of them were altered already puts a dent in claiming it was just HV that aided it

So if Mr A fires lightning, which is then completely altered by an entity to perform a feat,you're going to tell me that it was his lightning that performed said feat?

Originally posted by abhilegend
What is the first IYO?
Surfer created the black hole intentionally.
Likely hyperbole. Thor once said that falling from a building may kill him and same was said for Hercules.

Whether you believe he created it intentionally or not,(despite nothing pointing to the former)
He merely discharged energy,which then resulted in black hole, he didn't outright form one like stardust, so either way,its an energy discharge that resulted in black hole, AKA a side effect

Originally posted by Genii96
'Creating a big bang'

Firing his energy alongside others towards an entity that then altered the energies with a chronal mix and then fired it all at something else?

The energy was altered, not amped. Waverider even says that the heroes were doing the work.

How the hell do you even quantify that?
The fact that the energy from all of them were altered already puts a dent in claiming it was just HV that aided it

Nobody said it was only HV. It was among one of the energy sources though.

So if Mr A fires lightning, which is then completely altered by an entity to perform a feat,you're going to tell me that it was his lightning that performed said feat?

If the lightning is altered in another energy form and does it, yes why not?

Originally posted by Genii96
Whether you believe he created it intentionally or not,(despite nothing pointing to the former)
He merely discharged energy,which then resulted in black hole, he didn't outright form one like stardust, so either way,its an energy discharge that resulted in black hole, AKA a side effect

Side effect is this.

I always thought Superman matching Parallax with GL ring was underrated.

Turns out it was, a copy of Parallax (literally an aspect) amped the GL ring a million fold and redirected entropy waves to destroy the entire Multiverse.

Parallax with GL ring(he states he can amplify it by million times) is able to redirect an energy that can destroy the Multiverse
https://ibb.co/ZfqFCkv
https://ibb.co/9vnbzdG

mmm

Originally posted by abhilegend
I always thought Superman matching Parallax with GL ring was underrated.

Even when pretty pictures are provided. 👆

Originally posted by ODG
That's because you are illiterate.

Even when pretty pictures are provided. 👆

^ It's well documented that you are the most incomparably butthurt KMC poster of all time (aside from Old Man Whirly!). I'd think that you'd appreciate me not needling you on that in every single thread.

Somehow, even when I don't mention it, you feel compelled to spontaneously combust with self-inflicted asininity.

kinda

Originally posted by ODG
^ It's well documented that you are the most incomparably butthurt KMC poster of all time (aside from Old Man Whirly!). I'd think that you'd appreciate me not needling you on that in every single thread.

Somehow, even when I don't mention it, you feel compelled to spontaneously combust with self-inflicted asininity.

kinda

Originally posted by abhilegend
Crying in every thread about me

Just so we can be clear on this that you aren't being a bald-faced hypocritical butthurt nonce, y'know.

kinda

Originally posted by ODG
Given that you cried in every thread about me for 200+ posts across 10+ years while you were ignored, what does that say about you?

Just so we can be clear on this that you aren't being a bald-faced hypocritical butthurt nonce, y'know.

kinda

^ Given that you cried in every thread about me for 200+ posts across 10+ years while you were ignored, what does that say about you?

Just so we can be clear on this that you aren't being a bald-faced hypocritical butthurt nonce, y'know.

kinda

Oh... but rewriting KMC history isn't the point now. No, it's splurging your own self-inflicted cringe upon this thread to shut down any actual constructive discussion about Surfer's energy blasts vs Superman's Heat vision.

Not my first rodeo, pal. And not your's either given you've spread your anal-leakage through 200+ posts across 10+ years while you were ignored.

Originally posted by ODG
^ Given that you cried in every thread about me for 200+ posts across 10+ years while you were ignored, what does that say about you?

Just so we can be clear on this that you aren't being a bald-faced hypocritical butthurt nonce, y'know.

kinda

Oh... but rewriting KMC history isn't the point now. No, it's splurging your own self-inflicted cringe upon this thread to shut down any actual constructive discussion about Surfer's energy blasts vs Superman's Heat vision.

Not my first rodeo, pal. And not your's either given you've spread your anal-leakage through 200+ posts across 10+ years while you were ignored.

^ Given that you cried in every thread about me for 200+ posts across 10+ years while you were ignored, what does that say about you?