Surfer's energy blasts vs Superman's Heat vision

Originally posted by ultimatethor
A blast IS an energy discharge.

Very good. It's a straight blast of cosmic energy.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Obviously when he was blasting curs in the next issue not blackholes would be created

Very good. Straight blasts = no black hole.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
to the fact that the level of energy being used was not equal to the one that created a blackhole.

Or the pc wasn't used to that effect.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Also i didnt say he didnt use cosmic energy, what i said is that it has never been sated anywhere that surfers cosmic energy is a catalyst for blackholes so to think otherwise is just baseless speculation.

Just as baseless as saying it was a straight blast since it didn't say that was the case either.

Didn't Superman casually heat up the Earth from outer space? Not saying it's more powerful than the PC but he can destroy a planet with it if he wanted to I bet.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Didn't Superman casually heat up the Earth from outer space? Not saying it's more powerful than the PC but he can destroy a planet with it if he wanted to I bet.

Originally posted by vansonbee

I bet 10 dollars not!

Originally posted by Avlon
Very good. It's a straight blast of cosmic energy.

Very good. Straight blasts = no black hole.

Or the pc wasn't used to that effect.

Just as baseless as saying it was a straight blast since it didn't say that was the case either.

Surfers energy blasts HAVE created multiple blackholes as an after effect before( aside the annihilation incident). And what do u mean by straight blast? Surfers blasts are just him directing his cosmic energy towards someone. When surfer fought the curs he was simply not using the amount of energy needed to create a blackhole.
In annihilation, surfer released such an great amount of cosmic energy that he created a blackhole. This is corroborated by the fact that the same effect has occured as a result of surfer blasting in the past.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Surfers energy blasts HAVE created multiple blackholes as an after effect before( aside the annihilation incident). And what do u mean by straight blast? Surfers blasts are just him directing his cosmic energy towards someone. When surfer fought the curs he was simply not using the amount of energy needed to create a blackhole.
In annihilation, surfer released such an great amount of cosmic energy that he created a blackhole. This is corroborated by the fact that the same effect has occured as a result of surfer blasting in the past.

Surfers PC ability let him play around with matter/energy as an effect.
His blasts are just pure cosmic energy.

Scientists on earth have been working on creating black holes with far less than planet or even continent destroying energy.

Originally posted by Avlon
Surfers PC ability let him play around with matter/energy as an effect.
His blasts are just pure cosmic energy.

Scientists on earth have been working on creating black holes with far less than planet or even continent destroying energy.

True surfers PC allows him to manipulate matter/energy but this was not stated as the reason for the blackholes creation. It was as a direct result of the energy discharge not some form of manipulation

Scientist on earth have been working on creating miniature( microscopic) blackholes and have been failing even at that.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
True surfers PC allows him to manipulate matter/energy but this was not stated as the reason for the blackholes creation. It was as a direct result of the energy discharge not some form of manipulation

He has to discharge energy either way. There isn't proof that is was a blast any more than it was manipulation (which is far more likely) stated in the story.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Scientist on earth have been working on creating miniature( microscopic) blackholes and have been failing even at that.

They haven't perfected the procedure, but it still stands that they need far less than the energy needed to destroy a planet to do so.

Originally posted by Avlon
He has to discharge energy either way. There isn't proof that is was a blast any more than it was manipulation (which is far more likely) stated in the story.

They haven't perfected the procedure, but it still stands that they need far less than the energy needed to destroy a planet to do so.

Actually, surfer DOESNT need to discharge energy to manipulate matter. It is far far less likely that it was any form of manipulation considering that he doesnt need to use it to manipulate matter anyway and that if it was any form of matter manip it most likely would have been mentioned by thanos. Thanos simply sayin surfers energy discharge almost confrims that it was a direct result of his energy output.

Scientist are trying to create microscopic blackholes as i said( and have been failing).

Both blast can destroy planets, IMO its about even.

I've seen niether of these guys destroy a planet with a blast of thier powers.

Originally posted by fangirl101
I've seen niether of these guys destroy a planet with a blast of thier powers.

Superman obviously not but surfer actually has.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Superman obviously not but surfer actually has.

Is that in the SS respect thread? or assuming he could?

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Superman obviously not but surfer actually has.

Originally posted by vansonbee
really? That I didn't know, I knew he could create a world or restore is better term.

Is that in the SS respect thread? or assuming he could?

Surfer destroyed a planet in his fight against ravenous. And that was while heavily holding back

Originally posted by fangirl101
Scans? I know superman's ignited stars and powered warworld's engines. So I'm sure it's possible. And Surfer has done wicked stuff with the effects of this PC. but the Actual power of the blast. What is the most powerful thing or person he's owned with just a cosmic blast and no extra effects?

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/AnnihilationSilverSurfer4-012.jpg

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/AnnihilationSilverSurfer4-017.jpg

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/AnnihilationSilverSurfer4-019.jpg

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Actually, surfer DOESNT need to discharge energy to manipulate matter. It is far far less likely that it was any form of manipulation considering that he doesnt need to use it to manipulate matter anyway and that if it was any form of matter manip it most likely would have been mentioned by thanos. Thanos simply sayin surfers energy discharge almost confrims that it was a direct result of his energy output.

The seekers can trace energy given by heralds like a homing signal. There isn't anything that says Surfer made or used a blast to create a black hole. Even in his bio in Annihilation it states that he uses the pc to manipulate energy..which is what he would have had to do in order to create a black hole.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Scientist are trying to create microscopic blackholes as i said( and have been failing).

And as I said they haven't perfected the procedure, BUT they don't require anywhere near planet destroying output.

Originally posted by fangirl101
I've seen niether of these guys destroy a planet with a blast of thier powers.

Originally posted by Avlon
The seekers can trace energy given by heralds like a homing signal. There isn't anything that says Surfer made or used a blast to create a black hole. Even in his bio in Annihilation it states that he uses the pc to manipulate energy..which is what he would have had to do in order to create a black hole.

And as I said they haven't perfected the procedure, BUT they don't require anywhere near planet destroying output.

We know that SS uses the PC to manipulate energy. that is irrelevant. The fact is that SS does not need to release energy in that manner to manipulate matter .In annihilation thanos mentions surfers enrgy discharge created the blackhole. That strongly suggests that his energy output was the direct cause of it because the focus is on the actual energy discharged and not any form of manipulation.. If it had been as a result of some sort of matter manip, thanos would have not put the focus on the energy being released.

And really theres no need to go over the scientist creating blackholes thing again cuz the blackholes are microscopic and scientist have stil failed to create them. totally irrelevant to surfer.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Superman engulfed the entire Earth with his hv once to warm it up. Granted, that's not destoying it but I'd wager if he wanted to he could have destroyed the Earth. Maybe Avlon can give us the hook up with a scan.

Good to see you on dude. Been a while.

He can control his HV completly.