Originally posted by fangirl101If you are one, then how can you destroy the very thing that you are? If you destroy the thing that is supposed to be the origin of all energy, all life, the God of everything, then destroying it would mean the destruction of everything. With no return.
THOTI is not the origin of all energy btw.
THOTI was a conduit to all energy in Marvel.
Originally posted by fangirl101Thanos created nothing.
Originally posted by fangirl101What he did was a glorified version of the UN.
Originally posted by kevdudeThe Supreme being in Marvel is TOAA and it created THOTU,
it is not equal with another Supreme being in another universe
unless you think it makes THOTU = TOAA.
So, TOAA is far beyond his drawings,
and other than creating what they do, say and feel,
TOAA has absolutely no other affiliated connection to them.
Unlike the Presence, who's related to other drawings.
(like Lucifer & Michael and the rest of the family)
Unlike the Presence who has a polar opposite. (GEB)
Unlike the Presence who's shaped by external forces. (writers/artists like TOAA)
Unlike the Presence who has characters escaping their destiny like Lucifer.
TOAA & the Presence?
Not the same thing in any sense of the word.
According to Marvel Comics, on panel evidence that's corroborated in official Marvel Handbooks,
and further confirmed in Thanos' 2008 Marvel.com bio,
THOTI made Thanos God Almighty, the Supreme Being.
This has been proven across numerous threads involving said issue.
Originally posted by Mr MasterWhen will you stop confusing YWH with the Presence. Two different Gods of Two different realities. the Presence of The God of everything that is DC. YWH is the God of the Vertigo Multiverses. So your explaination is incorrect. The Heart did Not make Thanos God. God does not over look, nor does he get used, and if the power were as infinite as you want to believe, then the master manipulator could have fixed the mistake himself.
Actually, TOAA creates & draws everything we see on panel on pieces of paper.So, TOAA is far beyond his drawings,
and other than creating what they do, say and feel,
TOAA has absolutely no other affiliated connection to them.Unlike the Presence, who's related to other drawings.
(like Lucifer & Michael and the rest of the family)
Unlike the Presence who has a polar opposite. (GEB)
Unlike the Presence who's shaped by external forces. (writers/artists like TOAA)
Unlike the Presence who has characters escaping their destiny like Lucifer.TOAA & the Presence?
Not the same thing in any sense of the word.
According to Marvel Comics, on panel evidence that's corroborated in official Marvel Handbooks,
.
and further confirmed in Thanos' 2008 Marvel.com bio,
[b]THOTI made Thanos God Almighty, the Supreme BeingThis has been proven across numerous threads involving said issue. [/B]
Originally posted by kevdudeA real person can't put themselves in a comic book, get real
Still? ...
I mean seriously, this has been addressed how many times? doh
TOAA is a fictional illustrated representation of the writers/artists of Marvel comics.
That's it, simple ...
Originally posted by kevdudeMarvel fanboys at the extreme.
Originally posted by kevdudeWhat if DC fans took it to that extreme? Lucifer talking about real people and the real world, heck even his writer mentions some strange things (listening to him).
Animal Man #26 is best example.
Originally posted by kevdudeI've seen the scans, that's how they saw TOAA/God
In all 4 cases that TOAA has appeared on panel,
it's been a representative avatar of the writer and/or artist.
Originally posted by Mr Master
You still with this?Still? ...
I mean seriously, this has been addressed how many times? doh
TOAA is a fictional illustrated representation of the writers/artists of Marvel comics.
That's it, simple ...
In your case It would be ... Marvel ignorance to the extreme then.
Actully DC already took it to what you call the "extreme" ...
Animal Man #26 is best example.
False.
In all 4 cases that TOAA has appeared on panel,
it's been a representative avatar of the writer and/or artist.
Originally posted by kevdudeKevdude you have seen the scans so why do you pretend that the writer hasnt imagined himself to the ff4 in a comic book before.
A real person can't put themselves in a comic book, get real 😂 . Marvel fanboys at the extreme. What if DC fans took it to that extreme? Lucifer talking about real people and the real world, heck even his writer mentions some strange things (listening to him). I've seen the scans, that's how they saw TOAA/God
TOAA is the writer and not an on panel creation unless the writer chooses to put himself in the comic. The presence is an on panel creation. They are completely different.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaBased on what?
The Presence > Michael > Thanos w/THOTU.🙂
Originally posted by occultdestroyerHeart is greater than the Presence based on feats.
I never really considered The Heart equal to The Presence.If it was, it should not cease to exist.
But the fact that MU continues to exist without THOTI is proof that
The Presence >>>>> THOTI
Originally posted by fangirl101When will you stop confusing YWH with the Presence.
Two different Gods of Two different realities.the Presence of The God of everything that is DC.
YWH is the God of the Vertigo Multiverses.
So your explaination is incorrect.
Kev/Jun/Galan/Erik/Ast and others, have all said, the Presence & Yahweh are the same.
If you have evidence to prove them wrong, by all means do so.
Originally posted by fangirl101The Heart did Not make Thanos God.
This has been proven across numerous threads involving said issue.
Originally posted by fangirl101God does not over look, nor does he get used
See, I can play that silly nitpicking game too concerning the Presence.
Originally posted by fangirl101and if the power were as infinite as you want to believe,
then the master manipulator could have fixed the mistake himself.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Not according to trusted DC cosmic related debaters.Kev/Jun/Galan/Erik/Ast and others, have all said, the Presence & Yahweh are the same.
If you have evidence to prove them wrong, by all means do so.
According to Marvel Comics, on panel evidence that's corroborated in official Marvel Handbooks,
.
and further confirmed in Thanos' 2008 Marvel.com bio,
[b]THOTI made Thanos God Almighty, the Supreme BeingThis has been proven across numerous threads involving said issue.
God doesn't have a polar opposite,
God isn't shaped by external forces,
God doesn't have his creations escaping his plan.See, I can play that silly nitpicking game too.
Interesting, if he didn't fix the flaw,
I wonder how is there still a Marvel Universe? [/B]
I dont' remember God having a polar opposite. I remember the GEB fighting the Ultimate Light. Now show me where that light is said to be God.
Originally posted by occultdestroyerI have yet to read a post from you that actually made any sense.
So far, ALL your posts in this forum are pointless and utter BS.
Originally posted by occultdestroyerI never really considered The Heart equal to The Presence.
If it was, it should not cease to exist.
But the fact that MU continues to exist without THOTI
is proof that The Presence >>>>> THOTI
Originally posted by fangirl101Your trusted sources? LMAO. Vertigo's God is Elaine. She Got her power from that version of Michael who Got his power from YWH. In THE DCU, Mikey is fine, Elaine does not exist. I'm sorry you don't keep up with DC. Do you want me to tell you where you can buy these issues? You seem to need help in that area.
I dont' remember God having a polar opposite. I remember the GEB fighting the Ultimate Light. Now show me where that light is said to be God.
I'm gonna go with the others, who actually backed up their claims. 🙂
Originally posted by fangirl101It's still on panel. What ever they represent. it's still ON PANEL.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I see, so it's just more empty fonts, with no proof,
with no target source to find the proof,
with basically, nothing really, nothing aside from your perspective,
you may be right, but without confirmation.I'm gonna go with the others, who actually backed up their claims. 🙂
Mr Master, to be honest, I've changed my view on the whole thing. The way I see it, there have been numerous interpretations of who/what God actually is in the DC Universe, with many authors not taking into account another one's interpretation when writing it, and with some series/interpretations being canon or not to the DC Universe.
As for the line between Vertigo and the DC Universe, it has always been blurry but, according to Dan Didio, mine and probably a few others's opinion, they are not withing the same continuity, eventough they do share many similarities.
Be it the writer/artist/Yahweh/Ultimate Light & GEB merged, or any other interpretation (a new one apprently being introduced in Superman Beyond, which contradicts the very nature of Spectre's existence for example, with the writer of the mini-series featuring Spectre even going as flat-out saying that he is not going to take into account this new interpretation due to already having a hard time portraying the DCU God without upsetting other religions and such), I will regard the supreme being as supreme, unsurpassable. Period. And I'm not going to engage in any more 'Is the Presence supreme?', 'Look here, he says he is shaped by something else' type of discussions.
But then again, this is only my opinion/view. 🙂