The Presence against The Heart of the Infinite

Originally posted by quanchi112
He is still a writer and chose to represent himself on panel. Real people>drawings. 🙂

There's no real person in the drawing, the drawing is drawing or reading about fictional characters, the drawing is not a real person merely a fictional avatar of the person that is drawing.

Nothing the drawing does has any significance in the real world it only has significance in that particular fictional world, he can only interact with the drawings as an avatar in his own fictional setting, therefore TOAA is nothing but a fictional avatar. The same could be said of any character drawn or written except not every avatar is the result of a fourth wall implosion. It's all fiction.

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fangirl the more you go on about this youre only proving me right lol.get a life already

Originally posted by Allankles
There's no real person in the drawing, [B]the drawing is drawing or reading about fictional characters, the drawing is not a real person merely a fictional avatar of the person that is drawing.

Nothing the drawing does has any significance in the real world it only has significance in that particular fictional world, he can only interact with the drawings as an avatar in his own fictional setting, therefore TOAA is nothing but a fictional avatar. The same could be said of any character drawn or written except not every avatar is the result of a fourth wall implosion. It's all fiction. [/B]

TOAA can make his drawings do as he or she pleases. It represents the real person behind that particular story.

Originally posted by Allankles
There's no real person in the drawing, [B]the drawing is drawing or reading about fictional characters, the drawing is not a real person merely a fictional avatar of the person that is drawing.

Nothing the drawing does has any significance in the real world it only has significance in that particular fictional world, he can only interact with the drawings as an avatar in his own fictional setting, therefore TOAA is nothing but a fictional avatar. The same could be said of any character drawn or written except not every avatar is the result of a fourth wall implosion. It's all fiction. [/B]

Originally posted by quanchi112
The TOAA represents a real person and if you cant tell that from the scans than Im fearful for you.

TOAA can make his drawings do as he or she pleases. It represents the real person behind that particular story.

We already know there's a real person behind the story genius. Whatever the writer draws be it the FF or a representation of himself, that is not a real person.

The real person is behind the real pencil and ink, the drawing is a fictionalized depiction of himself. Fiction is anything that is born of imagination, anything that is made up, that is fiction.

If I draw myself drawing the fantastic four in a story, the drawing of the artist himself is merely fictional, because the drawing isn't really drawing: I'm drawing the artist, drawing.

Essentially I'm drawing an interaction between "myself" and my own fiction, but such an interaction is purely fiction as all I'm doing is drawing up made up scenarios.

The artist I'm drawing isn't truly the artist, this is no different than if I drew any other fictional character ultimately the real artist is outside of the fiction.

EDIT: "TOAA" is a fictional avatar, he is not outside the fiction. Only the real artist drawing the "TOAA" avatar is behind the fiction. Read up on breaking the fourth wall.

Originally posted by Allankles

We already know there's a real person behind the story genius. Whatever the writer draws be it the FF or a representation of himself, that is not a real person.

The real person is behind the real pencil and ink, the drawing is a fictionalized depiction of himself. Fiction is anything that is born of imagination, anything that is made up, that is fiction.

If I draw myself drawing the fantastic four in a story, the drawing of the artist himself is merely fictional, because the drawing isn't really drawing: I'm drawing the artist, drawing.

Essentially I'm drawing an interaction between "myself" and my own fiction, but such an interaction is purely fiction as all I'm doing is drawing up made up scenarios.

The artist I'm drawing isn't truly the artist, this is no different than if I drew any other fictional character ultimately the real artist is outside of the fiction.

EDIT: "TOAA" is a fictional avatar, he is not outside the fiction. Only the real artist drawing the "TOAA" avatar is behind the fiction. Read up on breaking the fourth wall.

Also, you're final disquisition on the matter proves one thing, TOAA > Presence imo.

(TOAA in Marvel = writers/artists avatars)

Because that's the difference between the Presence's absolute fictional representation,
and the Writer/Artist avatars which actually represent real people,
the people making the Comic.

The real God of the bible appearing in a comic is ludicrous and impossible,
but artistic visuals,
of Morrison/Kirbiesk avatars representing the writers/artists of the industry withIN a comic,
is easily accomplished with a pencil and some ink.

Morrison/Carlin/kirbiesk/lee-type avatars are the true Gods of Marvel and DC.

Well, IMO at-least. 🙂

Originally posted by Allankles
We already know there's a real person behind the story genius. Whatever the writer draws be it the FF or a representation of himself, [B]that is not a real person.

The real person is behind the real pencil and ink, the drawing is a fictionalized depiction of himself. Fiction is anything that is born of imagination, anything that is made up, that is fiction.

If I draw myself drawing the fantastic four in a story, the drawing of the artist himself is merely fictional, because the drawing isn't really drawing: I'm drawing the artist, drawing.

Essentially I'm drawing an interaction between "myself" and my own fiction, but such an interaction is purely fiction as all I'm doing is drawing up made up scenarios.

The artist I'm drawing isn't truly the artist, this is no different than if I drew any other fictional character ultimately the real artist is outside of the fiction.

EDIT: "TOAA" is a fictional avatar, he is not outside the fiction. Only the real artist drawing the "TOAA" avatar is behind the fiction. Read up on breaking the fourth wall. [/B]

TOAA is the writer and he can interact with the fictional universe if he or she chooses to do so.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The real God of the bible appearing in a comic is ludicrous and impossible

Originally posted by quanchi112
TOAA is the writer and he can interact with the fictional universe if he or she chooses to do so.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer

How could it be impossible?

If you really believe the Presence or any other drawing in any other comic
is the "real God" from the Judeo-Christian bible of the real world,
don't talk to me again.

Cause obviously you're either trying to play with me, or you're insane.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer

When that's where The Presence of DC was based on: The Judeo-Christian GOD!
They merely applied the belief system in the comic.

The Presence is somewhat like an avatar of the Judeo-Christian GOD, so to speak.
But not the actual GOD.

They share the same scope of omnipresence and omnipotence.

But, the DC writers can make the Presence whatever they want,
like making Lucifer his son 🤨 and Michael his other son, 😂 what happened to Jesus?

btw. as for ... "They share the same scope of omnipresence and omnipotence."

How on earth do you, or the DC writers for that matter, or anyone period,
have any idea what the real world God's omnipresence & omnipotence is like?

Come on dogs.

Originally posted by quanchi112

Yes,and in that story the real person chose to represent himself.

He doesnt exist in the marvel u only in tha story
because he chose to exist in that story because he is real while the ff 4 arent.

TOAA is the writer
and he can interact with the fictional universe if he or she chooses to do so.

Originally posted by Galan007

same with the 'true' god of DC, as well.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Seriously, is this a trick question?

If you really believe the Presence or any other drawing in any other comic
is the "real God" from the Judeo-Christian bible of the real world,
don't talk to me again.

The similarity between the real GOD and The Presence is the scope of their omniscience and omnipotence.
Both are all-knowing, all-seeing, the be-all and end-all of their respective realms.

The Presence is NOT the real GOD of the REAL universe,
but it is the real god of the DC universe.

I don't believe that THOTI = TOAA/Presence.
Because if it is, it should share the same qualities of TOAA/Presence.
It's omnipotence, omnipresence, and omniscience should be EXACTLY the same as TOAA's.

But it's NOT. THOTI was NOT omnipresent.
THOTI was just a stationary object/force which can only be found in one part of the MU.
And if it was truly omniscient, then Thanos with THOTI should NEVER have a FLAW. For being omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient means being PERFECT.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer

I think you misunderstood what I said.

The similarity between the real GOD and The Presence is the scope of their omniscience and omnipotence.
Both are all-knowing, all-seeing, the be-all and end-all of their respective realms.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer

The Presence is NOT the real GOD of the REAL universe,
but it is the real god of the DC universe.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer

I don't believe that THOTI = TOAA/Presence.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer

Because if it is, it should share the same qualities of TOAA/Presence.
It's omnipotence, omnipresence, and omniscience should be EXACTLY the same as TOAA's.

TOAA knows it's a drawing within a comic that represents a fragile finite minded human being,
drawing pictures of characters you call "omnipotent"
because TOAA tells you in the narrative captions, "he's/she's omnipotent"

TOAA creates characters like the Presence in Marvel,
TOAA does this easily on a drawing board, with some ink and paper.

Meh, even Yahweh/Lucifer/Michael and the whole gang of "HEaven" is in Marvel.
They would all get stomped by any high level cosmic in Marvel.

Again, TOAA > GOD/s

Originally posted by occultdestroyer

But it's NOT. THOTI was NOT omnipresent.

Thanos became the embodiment of the entire Omniverse, he became EVERYTHING!

"I was Everything ... bonded to Omni-Reality"

"I was everything"

Originally posted by occultdestroyer

THOTI was just a stationary object/force which can only be found in one part of the MU.

That stationary contained "force" was:

Excerpt from Thanos' own Bio:

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Thanos

" ... Known as the Heart of the Universe,
from which all energy physical and metaphysical emanates,
and thereby gained infinite power ...

... Thanos decided that the true sign of his ultimate power,
would be to destroy the universe
and become the One true Supreme Being ... "

=== On Panel Verification ===

"The Source from which all other power throughout Time & Space springs"

... You should consider reading this arc before making claims ... 🙂

Originally posted by occultdestroyer

And if it was truly omniscient,
then Thanos with THOTI should NEVER have a FLAW.
For being omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient means being PERFECT.

Did you read any of the issues at all?

I'll send em to ya, then we can debate if you wish.

Wow with so many cosmic being that really godlike in MU like Mr.M said I'm really surprised that MU didn't crumble to dirt yet because lack of fighting for the true supremacy of MU.It make me wonder who's the boss and who is the lackey.?

Originally posted by Mr Master
But so are several other characters, so how does that make the Presence special?

Originally posted by Mr Master

Well it definitely doesn't = TOAA,
but it definitely does = whatever the Supreme being of any other co. is, in DC, that's the Presence.

On a separate note:
So TOAA is > THOTI?
Aren't they supposedly equals?

TOAA is just a fictional avatar of the writer(s), mind you. I repeat, FICTIONAL.
The Presence is also a fictional avatar per se. A fictional representation of the real world GOD, in principle and scope.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer

Name other characters, in DC,
which are stronger than The Presence.
I can think of none.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer

I disagree.
The Presence >>> a ball of "energy of physical and metaphysical" nature.
It is formless, and governs everything in DC.

And after I just posted the proof no less. 🙂

So, your unsupported opinion > Marvel Comics ... nice.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer

On a separate note:
So TOAA is > THOTI?
Aren't they supposedly equals?

The contents within a Marvel comic book,
the story and the characters,
are all created by TOAA.

TOAA placed its authority withIN the Marvel comic book story called "The End: Marvel."
That authority withIN the Marvel comic gives you power over all things within the comic.

Why?

Because that's TOAA's status as writer/artist of whatever is taking place in the comic,
power over all things within it.

That's it, that's the story.

The only difference is,
instead of Thanos being given a pencil and drawing board,
which would be dumb for us to enjoy,
Thanos was given a power source called THOTI,
which basically made Thanos what TOAA is:

And WHAT is TOAA?

The Author of the comic book, the WRITER/Artists.

Thanos says:

"Eternity, you must sense that Everything the Almighty was I now am,

did you ever dare demand anything from Him"

Eternity responds,

"No, but" .... (Eternity is actually acknowledging that Thanos speaks the truth)

..................................................................................................

"And I, like He was, am now the Author of All That Will Be ...

my Will is Supreme ...

I will not demand worship, as my predecessor expected"

..................................................................................................

"How dare these cretins defy their Supreme Being?

Was I not Now the End-All and Be-All of Reality?

Their very existence was by My Whim"

...............................................................................

"Everything the Almighty was I now am"

And I, like He was, am now the Author of All That Will Be

"the End-All and Be-All of Reality"

srugdoped

Originally posted by occultdestroyer

TOAA is just a fictional avatar of the writer(s), mind you. I repeat, FICTIONAL.

Who said otherwise?

Originally posted by occultdestroyer

The Presence is also a fictional avatar per se.
A fictional representation of the real world GOD, in principle and scope.

In principal and in scope.

Because the avatar of the writers gives the drawing called the Presence meaning,
they speak for the Presence, they make the Presence look how they wish,
they make the Presence do what they wish,
everything/anything of significance concerning the Presence,
is based on the whim of the Writer.

See the difference?

Originally posted by Mr Master
I was talking about Marvel.

Way ta go on the complete fallacious interpretation concerning the HOTI.

And after I just posted the proof no less. 🙂

So, your unsupported opinion > Marvel Comics ... nice.

THOTI is what TOAA would be withIN a Marvel comic book story.

The contents within a Marvel comic book,
the story and the characters,
are all created by TOAA.

TOAA placed its authority withIN the Marvel comic book story called "The End: Marvel."
That authority withIN the Marvel comic gives you power over all things within the comic.

Why?

Because that's TOAA's status as writer/artist of whatever is taking place in the comic,
power over all things within it.

That's it, that's the story.

The only difference is,
instead of Thanos being given a pencil and drawing board,
which would be dumb for us to enjoy,
Thanos was given a power source called THOTI,
which basically made Thanos what TOAA is:

And WHAT is TOAA?

The Author of the comic book, the WRITER/Artists.

Thanos says:

"Eternity, you must sense that [B]Everything the Almighty was I now am,

did you ever dare demand anything from Him"

Eternity responds,

"No, but" .... (Eternity is actually acknowledging that Thanos speaks the truth)

..................................................................................................

"And I, like He was, am now the Author of All That Will Be ...

my Will is Supreme ...

I will not demand worship, as my predecessor expected"

..................................................................................................

"How dare these cretins defy their Supreme Being?

[i]Was I not Now the End-All and Be-All of Reality?

Their very existence was by My Whim"

...............................................................................

"Everything the Almighty was I now am"

And I, like He was, am now the Author of All That Will Be

"the End-All and Be-All of Reality"

srugdoped

And?

Who said otherwise?

Still below the avatars of the writers.

In principal and in scope.

Because the avatar of the writers gives the drawing called the Presence meaning,
they speak for the Presence, they make the Presence look how they wish,
they make the Presence do what they wish,
everything/anything of significance concerning the Presence,
is based on the whim of the Writer.

See the difference? [/B]

Originally posted by fangirl101

All your interpretation supported by your own interpretations.

Cause yea, it was I who wrote the story ... "The End: Marvel"
Yes, those depictions in the visual proof I posted (scanned evidence which you NVR have)
were drawn by me.

Ok, this is the low of lows for ya, you now believe I penciled/inked/lettered my scans.

crazy

Originally posted by fangirl101

It's like a scientist supporting his findings with his own research
and no outside data to hold against it.

It's like a person who actually read a story, presenting what he read with the SCANNED PROOF!
and welcoming with open arms anyone who wishes to engage in a discussion concerning said story.

Of course, dealing with people like you who don't/NVR read the story,
is frustrating.

Cause then, to use an analogy that derives from your insulting analogy:

It's like a bull shit artist supporting imaginary findings with NO research,
and ALL the outside data possible to hold against it.

Get you're petty spite out of here dogs.