Originally posted by AllanklesWhere was TOAA? I thought this was about TOAA? What does the infinity being have to do with TOAA and HOTI? Which opinion? You introduced the Infinity being an entirely different entity. If TOAA as a fictional entity hadn't been introduced in this story how is it relevant?
Originally posted by AllanklesEDIT: And you're trying to compare the infinity being to the Presence, a guy who apparently couldn't bare the overwhelming loneliness of being omnipotent? The Presence has always been what he is, he understands what he is and in the DCU has no problems with whatever existence omnipotence has afforded him.
The Infinity being's suicide had nothing to do with his omnipotence,
it had to do with his loneliness, cause it was everything,
and there was nothing else that was apart from it
everything was a part of it, it had no peers, it was everything in the absolute sense.
Originally posted by AllanklesAs I said unlike these other Supreme beings (Thanos was worried about enemies for instance) the Presence (as a Supreme Authority) has no worries as he is everything in DC. Asmodel found this out the hard way to his shame.
So regardless of his worries, he displayed absolute power/authority,
erasing the Living Tribunal who's ONLY superior is TOAA.
Originally posted by Mr Master
The term "omnipotence" is meanignless concerning TOAA in comparison with all else,
because TOAA is the one that draws omnipotent beings into existence,
TOAA has the Marvel Universe on his drawing board.Get it?
There's the Marvel Omniverse (everything "in-universe" you can think of concerning Marvel)
and there's TOAA's heaven, a location outside the Omniverse,
from which TOAA draws everything that takes place "in-universe" (in the Omniverse)In heaven looking at the comic book (The End: Marvel) with the rest of us. 🙂
TOAA is still in the MU, who do you think publishes the entire comic? The very thing that houses the narration? Marvel. So he is not above the fiction, the writer forfeits such a position when he places himself within his own fictional reality.
Take away the Marvel trademark, the on panel evidence and you have a point.
Otherwise according to the terms of our reality, that's a fourth wall implosion, where the author make himself a fictional avatar in his own fictional creation.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I challenge you to find where that is stated?If you're right, then TOAA is far superior to the Presence,
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because the Infinity being is [b]exactly what the Presence is[/B]
Except the part where he splits his power into finite gems. Where the severing of his power means nothing to the MU. The Presence unlike this entity is his entire universe. He can't die, he can't be split into infinity gems although he can create them. He's just nothing like the Presence.
Originally posted by AllanklesTOAA is still in the MU
Again you're just speculating away.
Originally posted by Allankleswho do you think publishes the entire comic?
The very thing that houses the narration? Marvel.So he is not above the fiction,
the writer forfeits such a position when he places himself within his own fictional reality.Take away the Marvel trademark, the on panel evidence and you have a point.
Originally posted by AllanklesOtherwise according to the terms of our reality, that's a fourth wall implosion, where the author make himself a fictional avatar in his own fictional creation.
Or are you gonna again,
jam TOAA into it's history although you have no proof of any kind,
simply to continue trying to equate the Presence with TOAA?
Beating around the bush isn't gonna make me go away. 🙂
Originally posted by AllanklesExcept the part where he splits his power into finite gems.
Originally posted by AllanklesWhere the severing of his power means nothing to the MU.
What the hell are you talking about?
"his power means nothing to the Marvel Universe"
It's because of the Infinity being that there is a Marvel Universe. 😱
Originally posted by AllanklesThe Presence unlike this entity is his entire universe.
Originally posted by AllanklesHe can't die
Originally posted by AllanklesHe's just nothing like the Presence.
Originally posted by Mr Master
THOTI is not an artifact.And Akhenaten got stomped by Thanos.
Let's not forget, Akhenaten had "mastered the THOTI"
which again proves, just how much more powerful Thanos became while merged to it.
Actually, Akhenaten was stomped AFTER Thanos has acquired THOTI.
The outcome could very well be the opposite if he was fighting against Thanos before the THOTI upgrade.
Which cements my argument that The Presence is superior to THOTI, since The Presence exists everywhere in everything. It is EVERYTHING.
What is THOTI? If it is not an abstract, then what is it?
Is it omnipresent? Definitely NOT. As shown on panel, it is just a stationary globe of light. Does it exist everywhere in every alternate universe in Marvel? NO.
The scope of The Presence's power is infinite, and extends beyond the void of time and space. It exists in every alternate timeline, and even crosses the border of Vertigoverse. It is the BE-ALL and END-ALL of everything in DC.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Prove TOAA was still in the Marvel Universe during the infinity being's existence.Again you're just speculating away.
Nothing to do with TOAA then.
Originally posted by Mr Master
And? How does this address my post?
That TOAA is just a fictional avatar, because you know... MU is fiction.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Nice, I know that, but how does this address the fact that the Infinity being was everything,
and there was nothing else?
It certainly has nothing to do with our present predicament - TOAA and THOTI. That story was written and others have taken it's place; stories about and involving THOTI, TOAA and LT.
These are fictional characters subject to change on the whims of the real life authors/creators. I can't argue for a story that didn't have TOAA.
Again fiction changes the MU doesn't have an infinity being anymore, so he is no Presence (who is ever present that's his nature and the perpetual author within DC fiction). This Infinity being doesn't occupy such a position in the MU but the "TOAA" avatar does.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Or are you gonna again,
jam TOAA into it's history although you have no proof of any kind,
simply to continue trying to equate the Presence with TOAA?
The presence created the DC within the fiction he is it's perpetual author if and whether TOAA has the same exact role is your argument. My argument is that HOTI is below the Presence
Originally posted by Mr Master
Beating around the bush isn't gonna make me go away. 🙂
I'm not about attrition. I've already addressed your whole TOAA is not fictional angle (how can he not be) he is an avatar after all, of no many writers and even an avatar with an author's identity and name is still just a fictional avatar if he participates in a fictional narrative.
Originally posted by fangirl101
First of all. I reported you. Secondly, Since Thanos was never the one above all, then he couldn't be marvel's God. And that is the fact of the matter.
wow so report me for telling the truth.lol.youre the last person that should be reporting anybody.everyone has given you proof,what more could you ask for?its sad really.mr.master gave you proof,on panel,time & time again.yet you always manage to nitpick about everything
Originally posted by Nestical
wow so report me for telling the truth.lol.youre the last person that should be reporting anybody.everyone has given you proof,what more could you ask for?its sad really.mr.master gave you proof,on panel,time & time again.yet you always manage to nitpick about everything
Originally posted by AllanklesWrong. Thanos is supreme and proved it on panel. The presence lacks the feats that thanos has.
Not really. The Presence encompasses all that is in DC, he is a single unique being like Thanos but he is more, he is also the very fabric/canvas of reality in DC. They can't stalemate because the Presence occupies a higher place in his fictional world, his power created it, and his power maintains its existence. Thanos became GOD, the Presence is and always has been GOD in DC, it's like comparing Thanos to TOAA pretty much, the Presence is the author of the reality within DC.
Take into consideration the fact that Thanaos can absorb the entire dcu and he wins this easily.
TOAA is a real person and isnt comparable to these fictional characters.
Originally posted by fangirl101TOAA is the person giving us the story and isnt comparable to any fictional character. The presence and Thanos with the heart are fictional and Thanos wins because of what I just mentioned to allankles.
No. He's saying compare Thanos to the one above all and thanos falls short. So the same principle must apply when comparing thanos to the presence.
Originally posted by AllanklesThe heart isnt an artifact. You clearly havent read the story.
Because the presence's power is above acquisition, he is the reality of DC. The fullness of his influence in DC cannot be condensed into an artifact. Basically he can create a HOTI and have a character achieve what Thanos did and still he'd be there beyond the scope of his creation.It's about scope. No matter what character x does in DC the Presence will be there, it's his universe to do with as he pleases including creating an artifact that can erase existence within the overarching fictional realm of his.
In the DC fictional realm you could say the entire universe is his experiment, he is the universe. Thanos was surrounded by Oblivion, in DC the Presence would be in that same oblivion.
Originally posted by AllanklesThis is getting ridiculous. If you cant see that TOAA is a real person and not qa fictional character than thats on you. You have no proof to say otherwise. The presence is a fictional character within the dcu and encompasses everything. Thanos can absorb everything. Game over.
TOAA is still in the MU, who do you think publishes the entire comic? The very thing that houses the narration? Marvel. So he is not above the fiction, the writer forfeits such a position when he places himself within his own fictional reality.Take away the Marvel trademark, the on panel evidence and you have a point.
Otherwise according to the terms of our reality, that's a fourth wall implosion, where the author make himself a fictional avatar in his own fictional creation.
Originally posted by AllanklesWhat are you saying exactly? Are you saying the presence couldnt commit suicide if he wanted to? He doesnt want to hence he still exist but I bet if he wanted to he could do it. Thats the point me friend.
Except the part where he splits his power into finite gems. Where the severing of his power means nothing to the MU. The Presence unlike this entity is his entire universe. He can't die, he can't be split into infinity gems although he can create them. He's just nothing like the Presence.
