Originally posted by vansonbeeWhat page was that interview posted on this thread? Mr. M
Jim Starlin interview: (the Writer/Creator of The End: Marvel)
http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=36&t=000382
(middle of the interview/page ...
... where Starlin distinguishes his "End" story with the other non-canon ones)
"Thanos and the resurrected Pharaoh Akhenaten compete for the ultimate power"
"Figured if I was going to kill off the entire Marvel Universe
it ought to be the real thing"
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The real, entire Marvel Universe. 🙂
Originally posted by Mr Master
I could care less about DC's cosmology.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Why should I, when I never said there was one?
Originally posted by Mr Master
It's as clear as can be.
Originally posted by Mr Master
DC borrowed the principal, and then raped it.Please show me in what Bible does it state Lucifer, 🤨 or Michael 😂 is God's son?
Since when is Michael and Luficer more relevant than Jesus?
The Bible has nothing to do with DC's hierarchy.
They merely borrowed the principle from the Bible.
BTW we're not talking about the Bible, we're talking about comics here.
You can shape characters from religious references and mythology;
DC has Michael, Lucifer, Ares:: Marvel has Loki, Thor, Odin.
Do they have any relevance to Christianity or Norse Mythology? NO. These beings only borrowed the name, appearance and powers of the real world Norse Gods.
Same thing applies to The Presence.
Originally posted by Mr Master
TOAA creates cats like the Presence in Marvel.
The Infinity being is a good example amongst others.
The real world writers/artists creates TOAA,
which in turn, creates beings like IB, AE, THOTI and so on.
WithIN the comic realm of Marvel, TOAA reigns supreme.
No object/being is greater than him.
You can jam all the "omnipotence" of all the artifacts and abstracts in Marvel, but TOAA (the fictional avatar of Marvel's writers/artists) can simply erase them and re-write everything from scratch. Again, this is withIN the comic realm.
Same thing applies to The Presence. He is >>> than any source/abstract/artifact in DC, because he IS DC. He is everything you read in DC. At a whim, he can destroy it.
Originally posted by Mr Master"STARLIN: Didn't know all the other stories were set in the future or alternative universes when I plotted my tale. Figured if I was going to kill off the entire Marvel Universe it ought to be the real thing."
[b]Jim Starlin interview: (the Writer/Creator of The End: Marvel)http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=36&t=000382 (middle of the interview/page)
"Thanos and the resurrected Pharaoh Akhenaten compete for the ultimate power"
"Figured if I was going to kill off the entire Marvel Universe
it ought to be the real thing".............................................................................
The real, entire Marvel Universe. 🙂 [/B]
Okay, you persuaded my vote. Vote for Mc. Master, he has experiences! Don't vote for Obomba and his fake hope and assumptions.
Originally posted by vansonbee"STARLIN: Didn't know all the other stories were set in the future or alternative universes when I plotted my tale. Figured if I was going to kill off the entire Marvel Universe it ought to be the real thing."
Okay, you persuaded my vote. Vote for Mc. Master, he has experiences! Don't vote for Obomba and his fake hope and assumptions.
Originally posted by Enyalus
TOAA isn't a character in this match. Another red herring on your part.
Originally posted by fangirl101
TOAA is a character. And it's how we debate comics by compare and Contrast. Now TOAA is equal to the Presence. So If THOTU is equal to the presence how can it be less than TOAA? Which of course it is.
Prove that Thanos with the HOTI was less than TOAA within the Marvel Universe.
Or don't don't say it. It's against the rules, you know?
Originally posted by Enyalus
Prove that Thanos with the HOTI was less than TOAA within the Marvel Universe.Or don't don't say it. It's against the rules, you know?
To be the supreme being you must be
Omnipotent, Omnipresent, Omnicient.
All Knowing, All Seeing, All powerful.
Thanos was only maybe one of Three.
TOAA is all 3.
Originally posted by fangirl101
The One above ALL's will is infallible. Cannot be over ridden. As a matter of fact, Thanos says as much about how he was tricked or something like that. he was never in control.To be the supreme being you must be
Omnipotent, Omnipresent, Omnicient.All Knowing, All Seeing, All powerful.
Thanos was only maybe one of Three.
TOAA is all 3.
Stop posting. Really. It's been explained to you before - Thanos was tricked into seeking and finding and acquiring the HOTI. Nothing is mentioned about him being tricked while he has it. He was omnipresent. Fact. He was omnipotent. Fact. He could even see the very fabric of reality, the various threads and strings and equations which make it up. If that's not omniscient to you, oh well.
Thanos usurped TOAA's position within the Marvel Universe. Fact.
Furthermore, no, to be the supreme being you don't need what you listed. You need Marvel to say so. And Marvel does. And so do the comics. And canon > you.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Stop posting. Really. It's been explained to you before - Thanos was tricked into seeking and finding and acquiring the HOTI. Nothing is mentioned about him being tricked while he has it. He was omnipresent. Fact. He was omnipotent. Fact. He could even see the very fabric of reality, the various threads and strings and equations which make it up. If that's not omniscient to you, oh well.Thanos usurped TOAA's position within the Marvel Universe. Fact.
Furthermore, no, to be the supreme being you don't need what you listed. You need Marvel to say so. And Marvel does. And so do the comics. And canon > you.
He wasn't omnipresent or all knowing. He missed Warlock and Death in the story. he also speculated about others who would challenge him. God does not Speculate. He created everything and he knows everything. You should stop posting becuz you look like an 😕
Originally posted by occultdestroyerI could care less about Marvel's cosmology.
It seems crappier to me now, knowing that there are various "omniscient" and "omnipresent" beings.
When there should only be ONE Alpha and Omega. Besides the writer/artists themselves, who exists beyond the comicverse.
So I'm glad you understand what the Presence is over at DC,
Marvel has had several times, and it was never TOAA.
Originally posted by occultdestroyerThen you acknowledge the fact that it is >>> than any source of power in DC?
Heck, it's even >>> than The Source itself
Originally posted by occultdestroyerIf we consider an object/force/being like THOTI in the DCU, The Presence would still be >>> that object/force/being. The Presence is the one which empowers everything in DC, may it be an artifact, a source of power, etc.
The Presence >>> THOTI by a long shot.
* see how easy it is to formulate one's own empty opinion?
Originally posted by occultdestroyerAs clear as can be?
Again, WHAT IS IT?
I already know that it is the supreme source of power,
but is it an object/being of some sort?
Basically a concentrated contained source of power that embodies all energy in Marvel.
Originally posted by occultdestroyerThat is DC's cosmic hierarchy.
If you have a problem with it, then send a letter or e-mail to DC.
Who said I was disputing the DC hierarchy?
Please don't debate while drinking friend.
Originally posted by occultdestroyerThe Bible has nothing to do with DC's hierarchy.
They merely borrowed the principle from the Bible.
What happened to:
Originally posted by occultdestroyer
True, avatars were used in DC comics.But it only represents the writer/s, men limited by their imagination.
Whilst The Presence represents the true GOD,
a comic depiction of the Judeo-Christian GOD whom Christians worship.This GOD is omnipotent, and exists in and out of the boundaries of the comic world.
My, my, that was only 3 days ago.
Adapting to the debate as it goes along I see. 🙄
Yall are funny.
Originally posted by occultdestroyerBTW we're not talking about the Bible, we're talking about comics here.
You can shape characters from religious references and mythology;
DC has Michael, Lucifer, Ares:: Marvel has Loki, Thor, Odin.
Do they have any relevance to Christianity or Norse Mythology? NO. These beings only borrowed the name, appearance and powers of the real world Norse Gods.
Same thing applies to The Presence.
*note* Marvel also has Yahweh/Michael/Lucifer and the all of those Heavenly cats:
Here's a look at how technical Marvel got concerning God/Yahweh and company:
(I see they're far more accurate portraying the original story than Vertigo or DC)
Here's our (Marvel's) Lucifer Morningstar bio excerpt:
They would all get curbstomped by Eternity, or Kubik, or others.
Originally posted by occultdestroyerFalse.
The real world writers/artists creates TOAA,
which in turn, creates beings like IB, AE, THOTI and so on.
Were you under the impression I thought TOAA was real?
Like you thought the Presence was real?
You have me sorely mistaken.
Again,
In Marvel Comics TOAA creates Supreme beings like the Infinity being,
as I understand it, the Presence is the Supreme being,
therefore my statement was true,
TOAA does in fact create cats like the Presence in Marvel.
Originally posted by occultdestroyerWithIN the comic realm of Marvel, TOAA reigns supreme.
No object/being is greater than him.
TOAA gave Thanos their power,
Thanos temporarily became TOAA withIN the comic realm.
Originally posted by occultdestroyerYou can jam all the "omnipotence" of all the artifacts and abstracts in Marvel, but TOAA (the fictional avatar of Marvel's writers/artists) can simply erase them and re-write everything from scratch. Again, this is withIN the comic realm.
Originally posted by occultdestroyerSame thing applies to The Presence. He is >>> than any source/abstract/artifact in DC, because he IS DC. He is everything you read in DC. At a whim, he can destroy it.
The Presence is like the Infinity Being, or THOTI, or the Alien Entity now.
Originally posted by fangirl101
He wasn't omnipresent
Wrong. Again. As usual. Thanos is omnipresent.
I wonder if there's a rule against ignoring scans repeatedly which disprove what you claim. At the very least it should fall under trolling. Or something. Because I can say, "The Presence isn't omnipotent," without any support, too. And hell, you can show me a scan stating that he powers everything, and I can still repeat my statement.
Yeah. That shouldn't be allowed. Quit doing it.
Originally posted by Mr MasterThe Presence is nothing like TOAA.
The Presence is like the Infinity Being, or THOTI, or the Alien Entity now.
The Presence would ***** all three of those you mentioned together.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Wrong. Again. As usual. Thanos is omnipresent.I wonder if there's a rule against ignoring scans repeatedly which disprove what you claim. At the very least it should fall under trolling. Or something. Because I can say, "The Presence isn't omnipotent," without any support, too. And hell, you can show me a scan stating that he powers everything, and I can still repeat my statement.
Yeah. That shouldn't be allowed. Quit doing it.
Why did thanos miss Warlock and Death? How come he speculated about who else might threaten his reighn? Does that sound omnipresent? Fvck no.
Originally posted by fangirl101The One above ALL's will is infallible. Cannot be over ridden.
As a matter of fact,
Thanos he was never in control
Thanos decided what to do, NOT TOAA.
"Sacrifice or the Void, are my options"
"Sacrifice" (create the Marvel Universe anew)
"or the Void" (leave the Marvel Universe nullified)
It was always Thanos' choice.
Again, will you please read a comic before posting. 🙂
Originally posted by fangirl101To be the supreme being you must be
Omnipotent, Omnipresent, Omnicient.All Knowing, All Seeing, All powerful.
Thanos was only maybe one of Three.
TOAA is all 3.
Thanos was everything TOAA was:
"Eternity, you must sense that Everything the Almighty was I now am,
did you ever dare demand anything from Him"
Eternity responds,
"No, but" .... (Eternity is actually acknowledging that Thanos speaks the truth)
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"And I, like He was, am now the Author of All That Will Be ...
my Will is Supreme"
noneyes
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