Or just that they're backward cultural xenophobes.
srug
Either way, I've never really cared for the scouts, even when I was "acceptable" to join their ranks. Even most church-affiliated groups welcome any and all races, creeds, and beliefs into their ranks. Possibly to convert them, sure, but it still gives a fuzzy inclusive feel, rather than an elitist in-group.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Or just that they're backward cultural xenophobes.srug
Either way, I've never really cared for the scouts, even when I was "acceptable" to join their ranks. Even most church-affiliated groups welcome any and all races, creeds, and beliefs into their ranks. Possibly to convert them, sure, but it still gives a fuzzy inclusive feel, rather than an elitist in-group.
Or at least the head people are. I have a friend who made Eagle Scout but has friends that are Catholic, Atheist, Protestant, Ignostic and Jewish.
Actually, Buddhism doesn't include belief in a soul. Their justification for reincarnation, then, is a bit batty, but apparently makes sense to them. You'd have to ask shakya or someone else.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Or at least the head people are. I have a friend who made Eagle Scout but has friends that are Catholic, Atheist, Protestant, Ignostic and Jewish.
Right right. I meant the organization itself and its leaders, not all individuals within them. I had friends in the scouts too.
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
I know atheists who are in the scouts...where is the evidence that atheists are not allowed in...in practice not in theory.
I was just saying I didn't really care for them. The whole "morals and lessons" theme seemed way too heavy-handed. I never really pursued the discussion of whether or not they allow atheists in, and it wasn't affecting my opinion. In wouldn't surprise me at all, given my experience with them and those in the scouts, but I didn't blindly accept it.
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
I know atheists who are in the scouts...where is the evidence that atheists are not allowed in...in practice not in theory.
I have a friend who is an agnostic and was a scout. He didn't have any problems getting in because he lied about being an agnostic! Others of his friends...not so fortunate.
Nobody is saying you can't be a boy scout if you're a non-believer. Simply saying that if you say so explicitly you will be booted out. There are plenty of people who were not allowed in, or booted out because of their beliefs. It would only take a quick google search to find out. I could provide links, if you so wish.
Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
I have a friend who is an agnostic and was a scout. He didn't have any problems getting in because he lied about being an agnostic! Others of his friends...not so fortunate.Nobody is saying you can't be a boy scout if you're a non-believer. Simply saying that if you say so explicitly you will be booted out. There are plenty of people who were not allowed in, or booted out because of their beliefs. It would only take a quick google search to find out. I could provide links, if you so wish.
Please do, because these scouts your talking about are very different from the ones I know in the UK.
Originally posted by chithappens
Similarly, some southern people are stereotypically racist while other southerners are wholesome people. What's the point?I fail to see how this topic can generate anything new other than a new way to insult a specific "box" so to speak.
Which was one of my original points. The thread was clearly a soapbox to whine from. It doesn't mean discrimination against religious groups shouldn't be addressed. But there's better ways of doing it.
Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
You are an agnostic correct?
Atheist if I want to shock a person. "Non-religious" if I don't want them to stereotype me right away. But atheist for our purposes, since I don't need to mince words on the internet.
...which is indicative in and of itself. I have to temper my response to "what religion are you?" in order to avoid being stereotyped and mistrusted. This isn't always the case, since many people couldn't care less, but it's also not just paranoia...the surprise, confusion, and occasional negativity I've received as a result of my answer has been very real.
Like I said earlier, discrimination isn't as intense as against some other groups (jews, blacks, etc.) but might very well exist in more total people, albeit in a milder form.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Atheist if I want to shock a person. "Non-religious" if I don't want them to stereotype me right away. But atheist for our purposes, since I don't need to mince words on the internet....which is indicative in and of itself. I have to temper my response to "what religion are you?" in order to avoid being stereotyped and mistrusted. This isn't always the case, since many people couldn't care less, but it's also not just paranoia...the surprise, confusion, and occasional negativity I've received as a result of my answer has been very real.
Like I said earlier, discrimination isn't as intense as against some other groups (jews, blacks, etc.) but might very well exist in more total people, albeit in a milder form.
Ahh once a Catholic always a Catholic.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Once a Buddhist always a Buddhist. So if a Catholic became a Buddhist would that person explode? 😂
I know a Catholic who became a Buddhist...and he is still alive!
(Its a saying in the West of Scotland where tensions between Protestants and Catholics are pretty high)