Exar Kun vs Yoda Force Battle

Originally posted by Kotor3
First thing your examples are not good ones. I do not know what time you are referring that Anakin had. Dooku clearly caught him with a move the same way Anakin did to him in ROTS.

Maul could have killed Obi Wan but was clearly tauting him. His arrogance got him killed as was caught off guard and clearly did not expect Obi Wan to be able execute the force technique that he did. How does that apply to my example?

He was using PIS. You are attempting not to. Its like using Hyperbolic geometry to discuss a spherical solid. (comparing apples and oranges).

Originally posted by Kotor3

Also you statement about Yoda being the most powerful Jedi base upon that statement is up for debate and has been debated plenty of times already on this forum. Yoda being able to battle against Sidious and to even make Sidious run initially is a much better example.

I think that he left out a step.
"Yoda is the most powerful foe the Darkness has ever known.
Sidious is the most powerful Sith Lord.
Sidious > Kun . Given
Sidious = Yoda . Proven by duel
Yoda > Kun . Substitution

This is obviously faulty logic, but it was a good try. Feel free to correct me if I misrepresented your argument. I disapprove of strawman too.

Originally posted by xxxpoppunker182
he was the most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness had ever known. I don't understand how you don't see that Yoda is quite a bit above Kun(without his amulets) in force power.

Good = foe of the darkness.
Bad = the darkness.
Jedi = Good.
Sith = Bad.
Yoda = Jedi.
Kun = Sith.

KUN IS NOT A FOE OF THE DARKNESS.

Yes, from what the novelization says I would deffinantly say that yoda is more powerful than Kun.

and with all due respect since when was Kun NOT a sith?

Originally posted by Faunus
Apparently, asking you to coming to your own sound logical conclusions is too much to ask.

Good = foe of the darkness.
Bad = the darkness.
Jedi = Good.
Sith = Bad.
Yoda = Jedi.
Kun = Sith.

KUN IS NOT A FOE OF THE DARKNESS.

Have you heard of sarcasm?

yes only today has been a horrible day and I didn't catch the sarcasm at all. I honestly was confused since you're very knowledgeable in the SW field and saying Kun wasn't a dlots got me all sorts a discunfubbled.

This is obviously faulty logic, but it was a good try. Feel free to correct me if I misrepresented your argument. I disapprove of strawman too.

Faulty yes, but I don't see how it doesnt applay here.

Originally posted by xxxpoppunker182
yes only today has been a horrible day and I didn't catch the sarcasm at all. I honestly was confused since you're very knowledgeable in the SW field and saying Kun wasn't a dlots got me all sorts a discunfubbled

Originally posted by Faunus
The most powerful for the darkness had ever known. That automatically makes him more powerful than Kun, who was, y'know, not at all the Dark Lord of the Sith. And even if he were, everybody knows that Sith Lords are foes of the darkness. Logic ftw.

Did you just say that Kun wasn't Dark Lord of the Sith? I know it's supposed to be sarcasm, but then you go, 'even if he were'.... 😐

I really couldn't follow xxpoppunker's arguments and, by extension, yours with him. But I hope you and others in this thread aren't taking the quote in the ROTS novel regarding Yoda as absolute law. 🙂 It comes from a limited 3rd person point of view. That, and Stover's work is full of hyperbole enough to make anyone sick.

As for the thread, I would definitely say that Yoda is superior to Kun in the Force. I'd say that Kun is above Dooku in the Force department, though.

Originally posted by Kotor3
I am not going to argue about how we view the movie scene because our opinions definitely differ there. However I will mention this, if Yoda was so much superior to Dooku in force abilities and block his attacks with ease, why didn't he simply freeze Dooku from moving as he did Ventress in the new star wars clone series?

Since Yoda has superior TK abilities he could have taken Dooku's sabers away from him as he did to Ventress in the new clone war series, why didn't he since he wanted to capture Dooku? The logical conclusion he could not. It was not so easy for Yoda and would not be against Kun either.

You seem to be basing your win on the simple fact the Yoda is mostly liking more powerful, but again by how much? Whereas Mace would be a match for Yoda with a saber why wouldn't Kun with the force? Unless you are also saying Kun is inferior to Dooku with it comes to the force.

He could have done a lot of things that he didn't to Dooku. He was able to force throw Sidious several feet away. But since he didn't do Dooku the same way, does it mean he couldn't? Which i am sure he can since he did it to Darth Sidious who is more powerful than Dooku.

Originally posted by Faunus
Dooku mentions Yoda's "handling" of the Sith lightning; the omniscient narrator of the AotC novel says it was "far from easy."

Even if Dooku directly stated that Yoda easily deflected his assault, omnisicient narrator > him.

The most powerful for the darkness had ever known. That automatically makes him more powerful than Kun, who was, y'know, not at all the Dark Lord of the Sith. And even if he were, everybody knows that Sith Lords are foes of the darkness. Logic ftw.

Was it worded the exact same way, as being "far from easy"?

Originally posted by Enyalus
Did you just say that Kun wasn't Dark Lord of the Sith? I know it's supposed to be sarcasm, but then you go, 'even if he were'.... 😐

I know what I'm doing.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Was it worded the exact same way, as being "far from easy"?

whats teh rest of that quote? because Dark Rendevous seems to imply the opposite doesn't it, Dooku knew yoda easily pushed aside his force attacks or something like that.

Yoda stopped the bolt in his hand, but "far from easily."

Something very similar to that; I don't remember the exact quote, but that's the whole sentence.

Take the statement at face value. Was it easy? No. But he handled the lightning in such a fashion that the arrogant aristo changed his mind about continuing with the Force assaults.

Aristocats... I never saw that movie, but I think I have it.

Originally posted by Faunus
Aristocats... I never saw that movie, but I think I have it.

Hehe. "Everybody wants to be a cat." That movie was awesome.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
He could have done a lot of things that he didn't to Dooku. He was able to force throw Sidious several feet away. But since he didn't do Dooku the same way, does it mean he couldn't? Which i am sure he can since he did it to Darth Sidious who is more powerful than Dooku.

No one is stating that Yoda could not do a lot of things to Dooku however you are missing the point. You stated that he counter Dooku's attack with ease. My example was to show that he did not. Simply put Yoda's battle with Dooku was far from easy.

Yoda wanted to capture Dooku and it would be logical that he would have simply overpowered Dooku with the force as he did Ventress so that he could have capture him. Yoda could not simply restrain Dooku with force and it led to a all out battle.

If Exar Kun is superior to Dooku in force abilities which I believe he is, then he definitely has a chance in defeating Yoda in a force battle.

Originally posted by xxxpoppunker182
Watch AOTC if you will see an odd gap where Anakin just stops and "lets" Dooku cut off his arm.

clearly taunting him? If you are referring to him slashing his lightsaber down at obi while he is hanging on for his life then yes you are right, but there are 2-3 seconds when obi-wan is i dunno RIGHT in front of Maul and he just stands there and watches as obi wan comes up flips over hims then looks at him right before obi-wan cuts him in half, where Maul could have easily killed obi-wan but he doesn't.

the ROTS novelization says

"Finally, he saw the truth.

This truth: that he, the avatar of light, Supreme Master of the Jedi Order, the fiercest, most implacable, most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness had ever known... just-didn't-have it."

he was the most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness had ever known. I don't understand how you don't see that Yoda is quite a bit above Kun(without his amulets) in force power.

Yes, from what the novelization says I would deffinantly say that yoda is more powerful than Kun.

and with all due respect since when was Kun NOT a sith?

xxxpoppunker182 your statements are your opinions of how you view the movie scenes which is no need to argue and does not apply. If you want the simple answer as to why everything happen the way it did in the movies, simply put that is the way they wrote the script.

Neither does it quantify how Yoda stacks up against Vodo or Odan.

Sure he is definitely more powerful than them, but you're suggesting he was leagues above them, no definitive proof there.

Kun wouldn't win, but he wouldn't lose horribly either, he wouldn't have been far off from Sidious

Originally posted by Deception
Neither does it quantify how Yoda stacks up against Vodo or Odan.

Sure he is definitely more powerful than them, but you're suggesting he was leagues above them, no definitive proof there.

Kun wouldn't win, but he wouldn't lose horribly either, he wouldn't have been far off from Sidious [/B]

Another blanket statement that begs for proof.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy

Another blanket statement that begs for proof.

What is a blanket statement the fact that Kun will not win, will not lose horribly or is not far from Sidious in power?

That he wouldn't be far from Sidious in power.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
There's actually much proof that he was leagues above Odan and Urr based on his command of the force and his feats.

'Odan and Urr' = same person. 😉 Odan-Urr.