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MALE DOMINANCE!!!
Originally posted by Faunus
Mace Windu's done it.
Yep. And so does Yoda in the new CW cartoon. TG said Luke wasn't on Yoda's level during JA. The droid feat takes place during DE, a little over a year before JA. Mace destroyed a battalion of battle droids. Yoda's destroyed an army of battle droids. Luke's destroyed an army of battle droids. And Luke does it by waving his hand - which is pretty cool. 😄
Originally posted by Faunus
Starkiller's done it, and he was "no match" for an OT-era Emperor's power.
You were the one who was claiming Starkiller was Yoda-level based on the feats he does. I...don't really agree, but if you believe that, and Luke pulls the same stunt Galen Marek did, then by the substitution property Luke's on Yoda's level, too.
Plus, Galen's feat is less impressive than Luke's. Galen uses Force Lightning to disable or disrupt the AT-AT, and then he Force Crushes it.
Luke, though, actually stands there and lets the AT-AT fire at him, tanking two blasts on his Force Shields. Then uses his lightsaber to deflect the shots back, disabling it...and then Force Pushes it down.
To me, that's the better feat. Plus, Dark Side powers are more offensive in nature than Light Side techniques. Designed to inflict maximum damage and kill, etc.
Originally posted by Faunus
It's not that simple. While I'm not sure exactly what Leia did for him, he didn't win that fight under his own power alone. In fact, when he'd challenged the newly resurrected Palpatine earlier, he was quickly disarmed and floored.
According to the audiobook, Leia simply clears away the shadows from Luke's mind. That's about it. As for their first fight, Luke was seriously mentally f*cked up. He had half-assed gone to the Dark Side, and then tries to go back to the light. Plus they're on Byss, one of the most powerful Dark Side planets ever, a place where Palpatine 'seemed invulnerable' on. He gets disarmed in three panels. In their rematch, Luke literally disarmed Palpatine in four panels. So he doesn't do bad during their first duel, considering all the disadvantages he had to overcome.
Originally posted by Faunus
"Far" weaker?
Well, he's had 29 years and the acquisition of numerous other holocrons to hone his skills and study 'the Force in all its guises' from ROTS to DE. The Dark Side Sourcebook says DE Sidious has 'limitless power and immortality,' and his Force strength is great enough to invent an attack to rend the fabric of space-time itself.
Yeah. I'd say he's a lot stronger.
Originally posted by Faunus
And Yoda was, in my opinion, the superior warrior of the two as of RotS, although Palpatine certainly fought smarter. The script directly states that he disarmed the Sith Lord - which isn't in the movie, but isn't contradicted by it either - and he was powerful enough to take a full-power blast of lightning with his bare hands and force it back towards his enemy while in a terrible position; the new Emperor was situated right in the middle of the Senate pod, but Yoda was grasping onto the metal edge with his feet.
I agree! I think Yoda was the superior duelist in their battle, and possibly even slightly stronger in the Force - considering Yoda sending back Palpatine's Force Lightning.
Originally posted by Faunus
Personally, I don't think any but a roughly NJO-era Luke could solidly defeat him in a fight.
I might agree. I'm not sure. I wasn't trying to argue that, though. Only that Luke was on Yoda's level by JA. Which I think he is, based on what he shows by JA.