To all religious people....

messiahs

apollonius of tyana

simon marcus the magician..
acts of the apostles chapter 8 verse 9, verse 18
acts of peter chapter 3 verse 32

i am too lazy to make another argument those are just two of the messiahs i know..

i cant paste a link but if you want type in, secret bible: rivals of jesus christ.. you'll get all the info.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That's right, Buddhists don't believe in science and spend all their time worshiping a god. 🙄 😆 😛

Oh yeah, I forgot you guys dont actually believe anything do you...its just a silly label you use when you and your tambourine group meet in Starbucks?

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
messiahs

apollonius of tyana

simon marcus the magician..
acts of the apostles chapter 8 verse 9, verse 18
acts of peter chapter 3 verse 32

i am too lazy to make another argument those are just two of the messiahs i know..

i cant paste a link but if you want type in, secret bible: rivals of jesus christ.. you'll get all the info.

Do you mean Simon Magus? The guy who tried to buy apostleship from Peter and Paul before flying and being brought back to the ground when Peter prayed to God? (sorry, we're rebels and don't follow the English language) god...

The guy who is the source of the term Simony- meaning buying offices?

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Oh yeah, I forgot you guys dont actually believe anything do you...its just a silly label you use when you and your tambourine group meet in Starbucks?

if you follow the teachings of the Buddha, you should be more respectful and thoughtful of your actions and behavior.

Do you mean Simon Magus? The guy who tried to buy apostleship from Peter and Paul before flying and being brought back to the ground when Peter prayed to God? (sorry, we're rebels and don't follow the English language) god...

The guy who is the source of the term Simony- meaning buying offices?

yes....

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
yes....

Why did you bring him up?

safe to summarize? yes, but not safe to put as fact. The truth is, if something large and traumatic happens to the world, eventually the word is going to get around. Biblical events may very well have happened, in fact, the epic of Gilgamesh describes the one who survived the floods, and Gilgamesh even meets him, and while predating christianity by thousands of years, the epic of gilgamesh recalls many things that have been described in the old testament, from a polytheistic standpoint, of course.
verse, please?

By the way, you cannot argue that jesus did not walk the earth. These similies require the belief that he didn't when totally secular roman historians wrote of his actions. He existed. The arguement is, was he the son of god, or not? [/B][/QUOTE]

answered someones question

I don't see how bringing up a character from the Acts of the Apostles answered his question.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
[B]messiahs

apollonius of tyana

simon marcus the magician..

Simon the Sorcerer
9Now for some time a man named Simon had practiced sorcery in the city and amazed all the people of Samaria. He boasted that he was someone great, 10and all the people, both high and low, gave him their attention and exclaimed, "This man is the divine power known as the Great Power." 11They followed him because he had amazed them for a long time with his magic. 12But when they believed Philip as he preached the good news of the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. 13Simon himself believed and was baptized. And he followed Philip everywhere, astonished by the great signs and miracles he saw.

14When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had accepted the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them. 15When they arrived, they prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit, 16because the Holy Spirit had not yet come upon any of them; they had simply been baptized into[c] the name of the Lord Jesus. 17Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.

18When Simon saw that the Spirit was given at the laying on of the apostles' hands, he offered them money 19and said, "Give me also this ability so that everyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit."

20Peter answered: "May your money perish with you, because you thought you could buy the gift of God with money! 21You have no part or share in this ministry, because your heart is not right before God. 22Repent of this wickedness and pray to the Lord. Perhaps he will forgive you for having such a thought in your heart. 23For I see that you are full of bitterness and captive to sin."

i am too lazy to make another argument those are just two of the messiahs i know..

you know there is more to those names then just whats in the bible try reading about them and there scriptures

i gave you the verse and chapter as you asked for..

who are you to say failure do you even know why his religion died out it had nothing to do with what was written in the bible.. that fact was the christian followers destroyed his name to keep others from leaving or converting..

they did it to just about every person whom they deemed a threat to the religion

um... ya but you are the one who claimed that he was a messiah and a threat to the christian religion. therefor the responsibility rests on you to substantiate your claims.

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Oh yeah, I forgot you guys dont actually believe anything do you...its just a silly label you use when you and your tambourine group meet in Starbucks?...

So, do you wear red robes and carry incense around on a chain? 😛 BTW you are getting Buddhists confused with Hindus.

messiah means annointed one and it was given to more then just jesus, as a title... simon's disciples and his church religion, called him messiah.. simon himself confirmed this by his own words.. claiming to be one with God..

if you read clementine literature you see simon being completely different then how he was portrayed in the bible... the depiction of him in the bible does not even correspond to any other version of him, and his demeanor..which is why a lot of scholars question the accuracy of the bibles account of the man..

he was a kind man who healed the sick performed miracles and came to safe mankind..

you want evidence of how simon was a threat to the religion, well look in the bible and churches and see how they demonize others and there religion that doesnt correspond to theres.

of all the written stories of simon none of them correspond to the way the bible depicted him.. read or look up simonianism..

apollonius of tyanas was another jesus like figure, who traveled through the middle east performing miracles similar to jesus christ.. take a guess who disputes his life and creditability?

the answer is modern christian scholars the entire christian belief system is based on the destruction and obsorption of local and foreign religion.. if you cannot convert ppl then demonize them and there religion..

it has been the churches and its followers motto throughout history...
ask any indigenous person who has had western religion thrust upon them.. look at the museum ask why there is a lot of missing religious knowledge of tribes and society a lot of times they will tell you it was christian crusaders catholic explorers or the church itself who have destroyed cultural identity of ppl by burning of books, tablets or pottery..

during the time of jesus, followers could only rely on bad mouthing other religions, and writing negative comments about others through there scripture.. as they grew in power and favor with the roman empire they were finally able to bring down temples and outlaw worship of other religion...

if you want proof open your eyes read history, archeology, myths stories and religion of the world..

take college courses easiest way to learn and share ideas.. it looks to me that all you want is a condensed view of historical accounts, sadly there is more to world history for me to condense to a short paragraph. i have given you names of historical people it is up to you to look it up and refute my claim.

hehe ironically, next symester I am taking intro to archaeology.

As for what you said, i don't doubt their actions, I simply misunderstood what you meant by "messiah".

Messiah meaning "the one the ancient texts of the Hebrews predicted" only corresponds with Jesus. anyone can be anointed, and there are other powers in this world that could give one power.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
hehe ironically, next symester I am taking intro to archaeology.

As for what you said, i don't doubt their actions, I simply misunderstood what you meant by "messiah".

Messiah meaning "the one the ancient texts of the Hebrews predicted" only corresponds with Jesus. anyone can be anointed, and there are other powers in this world that could give one power.

well many ppl believed they were the messiah and some messiahs also claimed to be the judeo God as well and had the proper lineage to lay claim to it....

keep an open mind when your in your studies..
dont be one of those annoying students who interrupt the professor everytime he contradicts the biblical time table...
its funny at first until u start shouting then u can expect to get an ass kicking after class for being annoying and ignorant..

so good luck in furthering your college education

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
well many ppl believed they were the messiah and some messiahs also claimed to be the judeo God as well and had the proper lineage to lay claim to it....

so good luck in furthering your college education

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11

I have a schollar's mind. I pride myself on having chosen creationism and the christian beliefs out of logic.

What logic would that be?

Originally posted by Bardock42
What logic would that be?

First bit of logic: pick a religion, if you are going to die anyway, why not find some sort of insurance to make it so that you won't go to hell if all of those teachings you ignored were true? I mean all it is is reading the bible or something every day and going to church and giving a bit of your money to the poor (i only donate to my church when they have reason to ask for the money) once in a while. If it means eternal life, whats the sense in not doing it?

Second bit of logic, christianity is the only religion i would follow. all others are either too violent, too eastern, or just too archaic and illogical.

third bit of logic, the fact that christianity corresponds to alot of other accounts of past events that other modern religions rule out (the flood for instance) and certain things like the complexity of the universe, the amount of faith it takes to believe in evolution, etc.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
First bit of logic: pick a religion, if you are going to die anyway, why not find some sort of insurance to make it so that you won't go to hell if all of those teachings you ignored were true? I mean all it is is reading the bible or something every day and going to church and giving a bit of your money to the poor (i only donate to my church when they have reason to ask for the money) once in a while. If it means eternal life,
whats the sense in not doing it?

Pascal's Wager. Fair enough, I guess, there are problems with it, but lets say it makes sense, it still does not prove Christianity, or Religion to be true.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
Second bit of logic, christianity is the only religion i would follow. all others are either too violent, too eastern, or just too archaic and illogical.

Personal choice. Again, fair enough, but no proof of truth in the chosen Religion.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
third bit of logic, the fact that christianity corresponds to alot of other accounts of past events that other modern religions rule out (the flood for instance) and certain things like the complexity of the universe, the amount of faith it takes to believe in evolution, etc.

You have to elaborate that. There is no evidence of a global flood 4000-6000 years ago, if that is what you mean. There is evidence though that there might have been a flood in the region, as many other local accounts and mythologies incorporate a flood idea as well. Complexity in the Universe, well, that's easy said, and no proof of anything. Evolution does not take very much faith actually. It is in accordance with scientific and logical methods, and more and more evidence is found each day, while no other theories are equally supported in any way, nor is there any evidence contradicting the general theory.

In conclusion, so far you have not shown any "logic" involved in your choice of Christianity as truth. You state your reasons, they do not prove anything though.

Umm, I don't know if giving a little bit of money (seemingly reservedly) and seeing being a Christian as just a simple thing you do on Sundays, all in the attempt to avoid hell constitutes as...well, faith.

I truly do believe it and follow in the way though. I'm just looking at it logically.

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Umm, I don't know if giving a little bit of money (seemingly reservedly) and seeing being a Christian as just a simple thing you do on Sundays, all in the attempt to avoid hell constitutes as...well, faith.

it's up to us whether we want to give a church collection or not. IIRC church never force their congregation to give a church collection