Originally posted by Jugglenauthttp://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=493627
WWH's jobber aura that > Sentry is weaker than Superman's. Everybody jobs to Clark and loses.
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Originally posted by Surtur
Really...As has been said..Supes, Flash, Martian Manhunter, even Wonder Woman, could all solo WWH and his friends. Hell Flash would accomplish this task the easiest. Putting them all on the same team to fight them, well..somebody must really hate the hulk.
This has got to be a joke. I don't think anybody on JLA is soloing the warbound....no way.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
This has got to be a joke. I don't think anybody on JLA is soloing the warbound....no way.
Then you're either greatly overestimating the warbound, or underestimating the JLA.
Flash, for example, could steal all their speed rendering them to motionless statues, and then IMP for the win.
Superman starts out stronger than a baseline calm hulk, even if you wanna say WWH is stronger, that doesn't matter because he's too fast for the hulk or anyone to even lay a hand on.
Same with Wonder Woman, super strong and way too fast.
Martian Manhunter? Basically is Supes with added on psychic powers. His intangibility alone means nobody in the warbound is laying a hand on him.
I'd love to hear how you think the warbound would get around the speed steal, for starters. Or how anyone from the Warbound is going to do any serious harm to someone like Superman?
The warbound really shouldn't even be compared to the JLA in terms of power, because the JLA far outstrips them in that category.
I also hope people aren't going with WWH performance against the Sentry in order to say he can take down the JLA, as Sentry clearly did not use all his power. People need to realize that this is a guy who when releasing his full energies was in danger of destroying a planet, yet only a few surrounding buildings get taken down when he releases his full power around the hulk? That this is a guy who shrugged off a hit from Terrax, a confirmed planet buster, yet Hulk(who isn't a planet buster) nearly kills him?
Originally posted by Surtur
Then you're either greatly overestimating the warbound, or underestimating the JLA.Flash, for example, could steal all their speed rendering them to motionless statues, and then IMP for the win.
Superman starts out stronger than a baseline calm hulk, even if you wanna say WWH is stronger, that doesn't matter because he's too fast for the hulk or anyone to even lay a hand on.
Same with Wonder Woman, super strong and way too fast.
Martian Manhunter? Basically is Supes with added on psychic powers. His intangibility alone means nobody in the warbound is laying a hand on him.
I'd love to hear how you think the warbound would get around the speed steal, for starters. Or how anyone from the Warbound is going to do any serious harm to someone like Superman?
The thing about the Flash is that his speed varies CIS may prevent him from winning. Hell Flash didnt solo the martians why is he soloing the Warbound?
Supermans speed also varies ive seen him get his arse kicked by the General. Grey Hulk has a strength feat I haven't seen matched in Supermans respect thread.
How is WW too fast?
MM maybe able to control WWH but the problem is WWH has resisted Prof X's telepathy.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
The thing about the Flash is that his speed varies CIS may prevent him from winning.Supermans speed also varies ive seen him get his arse kicked by the General. Grey Hulk has a strength feat I haven't seen matched in Supermans respect thread.
How is WW too fast?
MM maybe able to control WWH but the problem is WWH has resisted Prof X's telepathy.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
The thing about the Flash is that his speed varies CIS may prevent him from winning.
So? Pretty much every comic characters power levels vary. Next you're gonna say Superman loses because theres a feat of him getting hurt by an exploding gas station.
Plus he doesn't need speed to use a speed steal.
Hell Flash didnt solo the martians why is he soloing the Warbound?
Er, because the white martians completely dwarf the warbound in terms of power? I'm not sure why you think the warbound are so powerful.
Supermans speed also varies ive seen him get his arse kicked by the General. Grey Hulk has a strength feat I haven't seen matched in Supermans respect thread.
Superman pretty much uses some form of super-speed in almost every comic. The hulk is not going to touch him. Sure there are instances when he doesn't use his full power against an opponent, it doesn't mean he is incapable of doing so. Plus if the warbound are as big of a threat as you seem to think, he wouldn't hesitate to use his speed.
It doesn't surprise me if Hulk has a superior strength feat to Supes..since his whole powerset is growing stronger.
How is WW too fast?
Fast enough to keep up with jessie quick, casually block bullets from all directions, easily fly faster than the speed of sound. That's how she is too fast.
MM maybe able to control WWH but the problem is WWH has resisted Prof X's telepathy.
Mind control is but one option J'onn has in dealing with the hulk. Either way Hulk can't hit intangible beings, and he could easily mindscrew the warbound simultaneously with very little effort.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Im not sure if that is conclusive. I think ive seen characters with superspeed comment on how fast Hulk is......
Except Hulk doesn't really have any speed feats.
While Superman on the other hand, has actual speed feats that don't involve people saying he's fast.
Also, when they say that, they mean the hulk is quick for his size, not that he has super-speed. I mean, booster gold once said Doomsday is as quick as the flash, does that mean he now has super-speed, despite never having actually shown it?
Maybe I should rephrase: A competent JLA where they don't fight like idiots and forget they have powers like super-speed, etc. Would wipe the floor with hulk and his warbound before they even knew what happened. A COMPETENT flash or Superman, or MM could solo them
Originally posted by Stoic
The JLA failed to look like the Gods that everyone is setting thm up to be... Konvikt tears all of the BS down and shows you how powerful the JLA really are.... King Hulk and the Warbound are many times greater than Konvikt.The JLA lose badly.
This is just a horrible argument.
If you're gonna go that route, then Deathstroke could own hulk and the warbound, because he took down Flash, GL, etc. all at once.
Originally posted by Surtur
So? Pretty much every comic characters power levels vary. Next you're gonna say Superman loses because theres a feat of him getting hurt by an exploding gas station.Plus he doesn't need speed to use a speed steal.
At any rate there are loads of threats ive seen the JLA deal with and Flash doesnt even seem to take that much of a role.
Originally posted by Surtur
Er, because the white martians completely dwarf the warbound in terms of power? I'm not sure why you think the warbound are so powerful.
Im not sure about that the only one who seemed really powerful was the leader.
Originally posted by Surtur
Superman pretty much uses some form of super-speed in almost every comic. The hulk is not going to touch him.It doesn't surprise me if Hulk has a superior strength feat to Supes..since his whole powerset is growing stronger.
and he was getting his arse kicked by the general who doesnt seem to be any faster than WWH.
Originally posted by Surtur
Fast enough to keep up with jessie quick, casually block bullets from all directions, easily fly faster than the speed of sound. That's how she is too fast.
I don't know who jessis quick is but blocking bullets and flying faster than the speed of sound does not prove shes too fast when Hulk has casually swatted objects that can move faster than the speed of sound.
Originally posted by Surtur
Mind control is but one option J'onn has in dealing with the hulk. Either way Hulk can't hit intangible beings, and he could easily mindscrew the warbound simultaneously with very little effort.
Its not conclusive that MM can mindcontrol the Hulk. Yes the Hulk has hit intangible beings. He can grab energy beings and can see astral forms.
Originally posted by Surtur
Flash, for example, could steal all their speed rendering them to motionless statues, and then IMP for the win.
Flash can only steal the speed from anything which is regulated by the Speed Force. Since Hulk and company are not native to the DC Universe, there's no guarantee that would work.
Originally posted by Surtur
Superman starts out stronger than a baseline calm hulk, even if you wanna say WWH is stronger, that doesn't matter because he's too fast for the hulk or anyone to even lay a hand on.
I'm not entirely sure the first part is true. World War Hulk is the strongest incarnation of Hulk. I'd put him at least around Supes level - either just below or just above. But really, this whole "too fast" argument is bull. Superman has been tagged by Solomon Grundy, Doomsday, Wade Eiling as The General, and Konvikt just to name a few bricks.
Originally posted by Surtur
Same with Wonder Woman, super strong and way too fast.
Not as strong as Superman, and thus probably weaker than WWH. The speed issue was already addressed. I can see her using her lasso on him to great effect, though.
Originally posted by Surtur
Martian Manhunter? Basically is Supes with added on psychic powers. His intangibility alone means nobody in the warbound is laying a hand on him.
"Supes-lite" I'd say, as he's not as strong as Clark or Diana. But I agree, intangibility would be an issue.
Originally posted by Surtur
I'd love to hear how you think the warbound would get around the speed steal, for starters. Or how anyone from the Warbound is going to do any serious harm to someone like Superman?
I've addressed the speed steal issue. I think the rest of the Warbound would get wrecked by Superman and Diana. I do see them taking down Batman, Hawkgirl, and perhaps John Stewart, though.
Originally posted by Surtur
The warbound really shouldn't even be compared to the JLA in terms of power, because the JLA far outstrips them in that category.
True dat.
Originally posted by Surtur
I also hope people aren't going with WWH performance against the Sentry in order to say he can take down the JLA, as Sentry clearly did not use all his power. People need to realize that this is a guy who when releasing his full energies was in danger of destroying a planet, yet only a few surrounding buildings get taken down when he releases his full power around the hulk? That this is a guy who shrugged off a hit from Terrax, a confirmed planet buster, yet Hulk(who isn't a planet buster) nearly kills him?
True. In his fight with Genis-Vell, the output of energy between the two was destroying planets without the guys even striking them. And they were holding back. Damn impressive.
Like I said before, I see the JLA winning. However, I keep forgetting about Worldbreaker Hulk. Because if he gets to that stage, I see the JLA and the entire planet in serious trouble. 'Cause Hulk and Supes are already comparable in strength, yet Worldbreaker seemed to dwarf WWH in power. His healing factor/defense was great enough in his WWH form to barely get cut by Wolverine's adamantium claws, regenerate his eyes in seconds, and regenerate half of his chest in seconds. His strength speaks for itself - being able to hold a planet together and shift its tectonic plates prior to his upgrade. Yet Worldbreaker Hulk was even a tier above that. And given the JLA's problems regarding putting down Solomon Grundy, Eiling, and Konvikt...if it gets to that stage, I can't see Hulk losing.