Originally posted by namorsubby
guys you can't expect me to cite a issue or provide you with a scan for every detail concerning wildcat. you're arguing against him while you're still in the dark trying to get to know him from nothing.how is that sensible?
You have yet to provide any details in regards to his physical stats.
Originally posted by namorsubby
guys you can't expect me to cite a issue or provide you with a scan for every detail concerning wildcat. you're arguing against him while you're still in the dark trying to get to know him from nothing.how is that sensible?
Lol.All we are asking for are strength and skill feat scans. You have provided none. All you have done is talk about Wildcat's past encounters with stronger etc opponents. Which may I add don't prove anything.Why? Well because DD has held his own against Spiderman (a foe much more formidable and with far more feats than yours) before too, BUT I don't bring that up because it is somewhat lame to do so. I provide strength scans about DD and DD alone which can be used to effectively judge how strong he is.
*takes deep breath*..............alright guys. this is probably the messiest form of debate there is. we're going no where at all. i'm going to arrange this in points and see if you guys can address any thing you feel is incorrect in a certain organized order.
1.dd's main advatage, his speed/agility, is a slight one. WC is listed on every bio/stats page i've seen as olympic level agility/speed.NO, i won't give you scans.
2. WC is stronger, more durable, and generally tougher than DD.he also has more stimina(from having coompletely having mastered boxing) from brawling straight up with killer wasp in JSA 10 to taking a spiked metal batman beating and still having an obvious edge in brave and the bold #188. blocking an engine thrown by vandal in JSA #4 is a definite solidifier IMO.
3.Wc is much older and has far more experience. i think he is more skilled because unlike DD he can boast to being the single best in his primary fighting skill, boxing.besides that he's master several forms of MA skills previously named.
thesis:
wildcat wins against DD more often than not because he can afford to be slower than him. because he's tougher and stronger and has more stamina. and DD can't Ko WC with hit and run tactics. he'd have to dig in hard and really lay it on him, even then, it would be no easy task.
i ask that any replies be somewhat similar to my post.
edit:
show me strength feat better than this:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/deadshot/14.jpg
now show me a durability feat better than taking a "savage" blow to the back:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/namorsubby/deadshot/15.jpg
Originally posted by Silent MasterWTF?
You have yet to provide any details in regards to his physical stats.
what have i been doing this whole time? i told you everything about wildcat's physicality. the problem is you want a scan for every detail.this is the messiest debate i've ever been it. you're both going on and on adressing small parts of posts that i posted and in essence leading me away from the core of my argument.
Originally posted by Silent Masteryou don't know who vadal savage is either then? there's nothing to work with if you guys don't have the common knowledge of a character from the beginning.especially one you're arguing against.
Engines only weigh a couple hundred pounds, IOW we have already posted better strength feats for DD.
blocking an engine(which weighs about 500 pounds) thrown by the superhumanly strong savage is a greater strength feat than i've seen from DD ever.
i fear we'll drift only still further into irrelevancy as you respond.
Originally posted by namorsubby
WTF?what have i been doing this whole time? i told you everything about wildcat's physicality. the problem is you want a scan for every detail.this is the messiest debate i've ever been it. you're both going on and on adressing small parts of posts that i posted and in essence leading me away from the core of my argument.
You've mostly been giving your opinion with no proof to back it up, that engine block scan is the first time you have actually posted any kind of proof and that took 4 pages.
Originally posted by namorsubby
*takes deep breath*..............alright guys. this is probably the messiest form of debate there is. we're going no where at all. i'm going to arrange this in points and see if you guys can address any thing you feel is incorrect in a certain organized order.1.dd's main advatage, his speed/agility, is a slight one. WC is listed on every bio/stats page i've seen as olympic level agility/speed.NO, i won't give you scans.
2. WC is stronger, more durable, and generally tougher than DD.he also has more stimina(from having coompletely having mastered boxing) from brawling straight up with killer wasp in JSA 10 to taking a spiked metal batman beating and still having an obvious edge in brave and the bold #188. blocking an engine thrown by vandal in JSA #4 is a definite solidifier IMO.
3.Wc is much older and has far more experience. i think he is more skilled because unlike DD he can boast to being the single best in his primary fighting skill, boxing.besides that he's master several forms of MA skills previously named.
thesis:
wildcat wins against DD more often than not because he can afford to be slower than him. because he's tougher and stronger and has more stamina. and DD can't Ko WC with hit and run tactics. he'd have to dig in hard and really lay it on him, even then, it would be no easy task.
i ask that any replies be somewhat similar to my post.
1. More than slight DD blocks gunfire with his batons.
2. No you haven't proved he is stronger. Check my post for DD strength feats. Stamina? I don't have a clue about.But your reason for Wildcat having more is hilarious. Durability? You say WC takes shots from superhumans and Batman with spiked gloves. Well DD takes shots from spiderman, tombstone and I've also seen a scan of him getting wacked by a lampost swung by Namor. Also old school Sabretooth and DD slugged it out.
3. Lol. Wildcat is no way even a top tier. Check the MA tier threads here. Most agree with me. Why? All he has shown are boxing skills. Not even nerve strikes (basic top tier stuff), unlike DD who has shown an astonishing grasp of such techniques. DD was trained by Stick an uber MA. DD has far more MA feats than Wildcat. As I said before DD can conceivably be in the top 5 Marvel MAs. The same can't be said of WC in DC.
4. DD has insane superhuman senses which coupled with his speed and absurd reflexes will make it even harder for WC to connect.
Originally posted by namorsubby
WTF?what have i been doing this whole time? i told you everything about wildcat's physicality. the problem is you want a scan for every detail.this is the messiest debate i've ever been it. you're both going on and on adressing small parts of posts that i posted and in essence leading me away from the core of my argument.
I'm not going on and on. I've provided strength feats. Genuine strength feats. You haven't. All you have shown is a scan of Wildcat getting smacked around by Vandal. Impressive yes. Shows he is tough yes. But not the same as the feats I've posted. Also no different from DD getting smacked around by the likes of Spiderman. This and your continuous quoting from bios.
Originally posted by namorsubby
issue numbers aren't proof? bios/stats aren't proof.what are you guys thinking?why don't you try telling me why you think DD wins. maybe in nice neat little points. then we can go from there. i'll now how to respond the right way and it'll be a little more organized. what do you say?
give it a go.
Read my four point post.
Originally posted by Warrior18
1. More than slight DD blocks gunfire with his batons.
2. No you haven't proved he is stronger. Check my post for DD strength feats. Stamina? I don't have a clue about.But your reason for Wildcat having more is hilarious. Durability? You say WC takes shots from superhumans and Batman with spiked gloves. Well DD takes shots from spiderman, tombstone and I've also seen a scan of him getting wacked by a lampost swung by Namor. Also old school Sabretooth and DD slugged it out.
3. Lol. Wildcat is no way even a top tier. Check the MA tier threads here. Most agree with me. Why? All he has shown are boxing skills. Not even nerve strikes (basic top tier stuff), unlike DD who has shown an astonishing grasp of such techniques. DD was trained by Stick an uber MA. DD has far more MA feats than Wildcat. As I said before DD can conceivably be in the top 5 Marvel MAs. The same can't be said of WC in DC.
4. DD has insane superhuman senses which coupled with his speed and absurd reflexes will make it even harder for WC to connect.
1. ok so. oylmpic level is not far under peak human, period.
2.the engine feat beats all DD's shown. dd curled 400. wildcat blocked at the very least a few hundred thrown by the superhuman vandal savage(whom you guys seem to know nothing about as well.oh well)
3.lol. you know namor is 100 class right? DD is human. there's just no way he can withstand a 100 class blow.i'm sorry, i don't mean to undermine him, but that's completely outrageous. 10 tons to the head would definitely kill any human too.sorry.
4.you have no idea how skilled WC is.how do you know what he's shown? you guys don't seem to remember that i'm telling you virtually everything you know about him. he's the best boxer comics have to offer and he's also mastered several other MA's
wc didn't have a problem connecting with and flooring someone with superhuman speed/agility along with superdurability. why would he have a problem connecting with DD?
Originally posted by Silent MasterTOSSED BY VANDAL SAVAGE.AN ENGINE TOSSED BY VANDAL SAVAGE.
Handbook/bios have never been proof, as for issue numbers, theya re only proof if you actually list specific feats to go along with them.So far the only strength feat you have really listed is blocking an engine and again those only weigh a few hundred pounds.
..................i know that means nothing to you, since you don't even know his powers, but...........ah forget it.
wildcat FTW
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this is crazy, i'm not really even a big fan of WC.i guess now people are gonna be thinking i'm some kind of wildcat enthuiast.it's strange how that happens with every character i defend.only posted about him in 2 WC topics, my last 2. anyway i'm threw with WC threads. have a good one guys. it been a pl...............well, anyway have a good one. 😂
Originally posted by namorsubby
1. ok so. oylmpic level is not far under peak human, period.2.the engine feat beats all DD's shown. dd curled 400. wildcat blocked [b] at the very least
a few hundred thrown by the superhuman vandal savage(whom you guys seem to know nothing about as well.oh well)3.lol. you know namor is 100 class right? DD is human. there's just no way he can withstand a 100 class blow.i'm sorry, i don't mean to undermine him, but that's completely outrageous. 10 tons to the head would definitely kill any human too.sorry.
4.you have no idea how skilled WC is.how do you know what he's shown? you guys don't seem to remember that i'm telling you virtually everything you know about him. he's the best boxer comics have to offer and he's also mastered several other MA's
wc didn't have a problem connecting with and flooring someone with superhuman speed/agility along with superdurability. why would he have a problem connecting with DD? [/B]
1: Er it is far behind someone who blocks bullets.
2: No it doesn't. He swung the weight round like a weapon with ease then threw it fast with ease.WC only blocked an engine thrown at him. We don't even know how long he held it up for. I personally think he just parried it.Check all the feats there are others. DD has much better and more numerous feats.
3. These are comics my friend. Peak humans skilled at fighting can roll with blows etc to limit the damage significantly. As usual you dismiss everything on panel as PIS or whatever.
4. He is an excellent boxer. That's it. May I ask where it says he has mastered several other martial arts?
5. The gulf in speed between many superhumans and very fast peak humans is small. Also DD is a much better fighter than Vandal ergo he would be harder to hit in that sense. Yes I don't know much about Vandal. I have no idea how fast he is. But I would guess he is not that much faster than peak humans if at all. Another poster seemed to even doubt his superhuman label.
1. there's no excuse for any human surviving the slightest tap from namor, point blank period. it has nothing to do with me dimissing anything. if you see nothing wrong with that then there's no reason to debate with you at all.
i can't beleive people ramble about them hating batman so much when they see these things as acceptable.
if there's bat-god. there's definitely a cap-god and a devil-god. all three are disgraceful.
maybe i'll make a nice respect thread for WC so people can easily profit off of my work by going to my thread.easy access is key.
anyway, bye. i'll remake or return this topic when i'm through with the thread.............no, remake, definitely.
Originally posted by namorsubby
1. there's no excuse for nay human surviving the slightest tap from namor, point blank period. it has nothing to do with me dimissing anything. if you see nothing wrong with that then there's no reason to debate with you at all.i can't beleive. people ramble about them hating batman so much when they see these tings as acceptable.
if there's bat-god. there's definitely a cap-god and a devil-god. all three are disgraceful.
maybe i'll make a nice respect thread for WC so people can easily profit off of my work by going to my thread.easy access is key.
anyway, bye.
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If its any consolation its an old scan and it may not have hit DD fully.
