Daredevil VS. Wildcat!

Originally posted by namorsubby
there's no way you logically came to this conclusion after seriously viewing my thread.

[b]strength:WC
speed/agility: ?? wc has some feats that top all his
durability: definitely wildcat
skill: WC. he's fought and defeated tigress, who has superhuman fighting skills. that's right, better than any human, any peak human(cap, bats, etc). she also has enhanced sense(sound familiar?). he lost one time to her too, but that fight was extremely circmstancial. besides wc is the single best boxer to have ever lived, has mastered multiple ma's, has been stated to be the best fighter in the world several times, and has much more experience.

dd's senses only help him out really in the speed/agility category here, but like i said, the issue is debatable.

edit:

besides all that,ted has taken hawkman. check the dd vs HM thread. not pretty for dd fans. [/B]

Strength: *sigh* DD until you show me WC bend bars with ease, twirl 400lbs weights like nothing and flip over limos.

Speed: DD until you show me WC deflect bullets with a baton.

Durability: WC is very tough, Ill give you that. He also seems to have a Punisher like pain tolerance. DD still has taken shots from the likes of Spiderman though.

Skill: She may be touted as superhumanly skilled, but she still lost to WC. :/ Superhumanly skilled is Karate Kid or the Mandarin. Anyway I said WC was good, I was too harsh on him before for sure. DD is a very good boxer too AND he is incredibly good at various other arts. He is far more versatile than WC. Show me WC match any of the insane pressure point and nerve strike feats DD has. I go by on panel feats and not encyclopedias/bios which frequently talk shit.

No DD's senses also mean he can sense incoming attacks.

I know I voted in favor of Hawkman against DD. In a pure one on one fight Hawkman would also take WC. I have seen scans of a MIND CONTROLLED Hawkman fighting WC.

making solomon grundy bleed > any dd strength feat cited

grabbing the flash > any speed feat i've ever heard from dd

how is dd more versatile? dd is a good boxer with ma's. wc is the best boxer to ever have existed with mastery of ma's and more experience to boot. besides tigress is superhumanly skilled and automatically disqualified from the ma rating scale, but she's obviously better than any peak human fighter.

wc has stalemates and 1 win vs batman, has defeated tigress, and has been stated several times to be the best fighter in the world.it's obvious he's a great fighter, not good.

sensing incoming attacks helps with speed/agility rating, like i said.

eh, fine though. agree to disagree.

wildcat FTW

edit:

at least you seem to have a general respect for wildcat, which is all i was aiming for. it's been a pleasure debate with you 🙂

Originally posted by Silent Master
If her skills were really superhuman(as in, better than any human), how did WC beat her?

besides he's not to shabby himself, hence being called the world's best fighter a few times.

Originally posted by namorsubby
making solomon grundy bleed > any dd strength feat cited

grabbing the flash > any speed feat i've ever heard from dd

solomon grundy fluxates in powers all the time. One moment he fighting superman....next he getting knocked the **** out in brute forces by batman.

..........pleases every one and there mothers has hit flash........ It not really that impressive, you dont even know hwo fast he was going.......hell has not even robin hit flash before?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
.........oh come on you have to be kidding me this is rediculous.

solomon grundy fluxates in powers all the time. One moment he fighting superman....next he getting knocked the **** out in brute forces by batman.

..........pleases every one and there mothers has hit flash........ It not really that impressive, you dont even know hwo fast he was going.......hell has not even robin hit flash before?

if you see the scans you'll see that alan scott said he couldn't hurt him really. that was an extremely powerful version of grundy no doubt.

you're attempt to dismiss his speed feat means nothing.if you don't like that there's always his fight with jay garrick. if you don't believe that there's the fact that he displays the same routine speed feats of all the other peak humans(dodging gunfire, rays, etc)

Originally posted by namorsubby
what's ridiculous are these half hearted attampts to undermine WC.

if you see the scans you'll see that alan scott said he couldn't hurt him really. that was an extremely powerful version of grundy no doubt.

you're attempt to dismiss his speed feat means nothing.if you don't like that there's always his fight with jay garrick. if you don't believe that there's the fact that he displays the same routine speed feats of all the other peak humans(dodging gunfire, rays, etc)

Not dismissing anything. Hitting flash is somethign every street in DC seems to do. It not mroe imrpessive then hitting anyother speedster. It impressive, but does not in any way make him superior or equal to DD in speed. DD feats are far more plentiful and superior in msot cases. He ahs repeatedly deflected gun firer on numerous occassions.......when has wild cat done this?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
I aint undermining anything I am stating facts. It a fact grundy power seems to fluxate. It a fact your feats are not nearly as impressive as they sound if you take the characters entire history into acount. also how is that more impressive then DD knocking hyde out? I mean all wildcat did was make him bleed.........batman was able to nock him out...........if anything would that not hurt your arguement?

Not dismissing anything. Hitting flash is somethign every street in DC seems to do. It not mroe imrpessive then hitting anyother speedster. It impressive, but does not in any way make him superior or equal to DD in speed. DD feats are far more plentiful and superior in msot cases. He ahs repeatedly deflected gun firer on numerous occassions.......when has wild cat done this?

wildcat grabbed flash in motion, not hit him.can't think of a peak human who's done that.i think deathstroke did it, but he's enhanced.

more plentiful, yes. much more plentiful, but more impressive, no.

Originally posted by namorsubby
what about KOing hawkman?

Originally posted by namorsubby
wildcat [b]grabbed flash in motion, not hit him.can't think of a peak human who's done that.i think deathstroke did it, but he's enhanced. [/B]

Originally posted by namorsubby
more plentiful, yes. [b]much more plentiful, but more impressive, no. [/B]

Originally posted by namorsubby
what about KOing hawkman?

wildcat [b]grabbed flash in motion, not hit him.can't think of a peak human who's done that.i think deathstroke did it, but he's enhanced.

more plentiful, yes. much more plentiful, but more impressive, no. [/B]

Originally posted by vansonbee
Got scan of WC KO Hawkman?

i've got that and much more........soon i'll have even more:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=495763

.......i thought about not doing this......i probably shouldn't do this......oh, well

BUMP

I have a question how many wildcats would it take to beat gorgon

how many dd's would it take to beat an uber powerful solomon grundy?

Originally posted by namorsubby
how many dd's would it take to beat an uber powerful solomon grundy?

though I was not stating some on DD beat it was a serous question.

bats beat a weak grundy.WC beat a grundy who can pose a real threat to someone like sentinal, even when he's going all out. there's a difference.

either way i wouldn't be suprised if bats beat anyone.and he's irrelevant anyway.

No not really grundy is a jobber eh jobs to street levels, unless you honestly believe WC can beat a class 100 who hulk was based off of........

no i don't.......i'm sensible, but if you want to put high end feats out there, so can i.

Originally posted by namorsubby
no i don't.......i'm sensible, but if you want to put high end feats out there, so can i.

i thought you were saying DD beat gorgon with that statement earlier.

still that doesn't contradict anything.

btw, why don't you state why you believe DD wins and maybe we'll get started here.

Originally posted by namorsubby
bats beat a weak grundy.

Prove it.