Originally posted by Sado22Are you telling me the guy threw ken thru the floor of the ring? 😂 If I knock you into a wall do I make you part of the wall?
dude, it clearly said "struck ken into the ring". it didn't say "struck ken". it was struck INTO. and you didnt answer my question: what do you supoose he did to ken then? do the superman fatality? get real.
fail.
don't think so. if it was just a "strike" it would've said "struck ken" and that's it. struck ken INTO the ring simply means he was slammed into via throw. ever watched WWE? next time watch out for JR saying "nailed him into the mat" without the person being actually driven inside the ring. its just hyperbole. used all the time by everybody. ken was struck into the ring means he was smacked into it with a throw. not driven into it.
~Sado
He got struck. Not slammed. Watch at 1:13. Dude is struck, not slammed into the ring.
& watch at 1:49 Jack is struck into the ground. When somebody gets slammed does JR say "struck into the mat"?
I'm tired. Be back sometime soon.
& watch at 1:49 Jack is struck to the ground.
i'm tired too. you wanna discuss semantics and whatnot, make a english lit/lang board and we'll settle it there. the point is ken got oneshotted into a pinch. throw or not.
~Sado
I can knock you into a wall w/out putting you thru it. I can knock you into the ground w/out putting you thru it also.
Are you telling me the guy threw ken thru the floor of the ring? If I knock you into a wall do I make you part of the wall?
~Sado
Ditto on the bad English part. The guy may have been translating it from Japanese or something. You missed this part b4
Where'd you get this from? We can't just ask the guy who wrote it?
~Sado
Originally posted by Man of Violence
2. Not you too DSZ! Beatin' someone is not a feat. And I brought up MVC as an example of a games endins that truly don't count cuz the entire game is non canon.
It doesn't have to be a feat to prove that the ending is non-canon drivel,
How come when Ryu Matsu Shoryukened Sagat nearly in two, thats a feat? How come When Ryu stalemated Gouki, thats a feat. How come, when Demitri defeated Pyron, thats a feat? But when Dan defeats Bison in a non-canon ending, which according to your logic is admissable as canon ability, thats not a feat?
But fine, you want it to be a feat? I'll reword it then, Dan destroyed someone who can tank nukes. Does that make it a feat?
Don't try to play word games or definition shite with me, I've been around the block WAY to many times around here to know the difference
Originally posted by Man of Violence
3.WTF? That makes me sound like I have double standards, which I don't. Which is why I can say I never did that. Name me one time sayin that an endin from a canon game didn't count cuz the endin in this canon game wasn't canon. Name one time. And Jinpachi's endin' says nothin' about him bein' a threat to life on earth. My point is, "Why would the creators in the actual game portray the characters doing something they are incapable of doing?" Answer is...they wouldn't and they never have at least in SF and DS and beatin' somebody aint a feat.
Read what I said... And have a look at your logic. Jinpachi's ending, backed by the storyline of 2 or 3 other characters intro's and sub-boss plots confirmes Jinpachi can conceivably be a threat to all lifeforms on earth (Not the planet itself, so he's no planet buster ala - Pyron, but a Civilisation killer...), that confirms it which - according to your logic - is admissable as non-canon, but usable ability?
So yes, I dare say thats setting a Double - Standard
As for the rest, read above, beating someone of equal or higher standing is indeed, most certainly a feat.
Originally posted by Man of Violence
I don't lie and I'm hardly ever wrong. And what's the big deal about that? Is it so hard to go in a debate and not lie and know all the facts first before postin'? If it is then maybe I really am the Jesus of KMC Game VS. But that aint really sayin' much lookin' at the atmosphere of this place.
Not lying = understandable, but hardly ever making mistakes? = bull$h!t... Everyone makes mistakes no matter who they are... People can be the most well informed as they can be, and still make mistakes, which is very easy to do with Video Game storylines, especially fighting games which tend to be incredibly vage and lack details, Capcom being a BIG culprit of this with their numerous retro-changing and refitting of the story with each new game (Street Fighter 2 being a MASSIVE example of over-retrofitting the story.)
Everyone here has made mistakes in the past, and although not many are likely to admit this, I'll tell you now I've taken my fare share of corrections over my own 3 year career here, and I've dished out just as many, if not more. Some of the old debaters like C-Master, Hoshi, Dvampire, we;ve all made mistakes, and we;ve all corrected someone elses mitakes (And yes, in alot of cases, outright deliberate lies)
Hell even Remo and Remy have made their mistakes despite apparent vast knowlege of Capcom Lore. No amount of knowlege on the subject vaccinates you from Human Error, you would do well to remember that.
Originally posted by Man of Violence
You see, not only is that endin' not canon but the game its self is not a canon SF game, so ALL the endins in that game don't count cuz the game its self never really happened at all. Do you get it now?
*Slaps forhead* I was using it as an example, nothing more... Don't skirt thie issue, just answer the fuggin question. 😉
Originally posted by Man of Violence
Well you are only arguin' wit 2 people here which leads me to believe you are either directin' that at me or Jaxx or both of us.
My career has spanned 3 and a half years here, and I've debated from all sides of the fence, especially fighters. I said it before, those comments where not directed exclusively or inclusively at anyone, if you choose to take that at you, then thats your move, not mine. But you would do well to remember, Assumption is the absolute worst enemy of any debater past present or future, you would do will to avoid doing it.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero1. Ryu beatin' Sagat is not a feat. The fact that a human can nearly tear a man in half wit an uppercut is a feat. A regular man could not do that. If Ryu had did it to some average joe it still would've been a feat. So you understand, now and Again, never said Ryu stalematin' Akuma was a feat, I said that Ryu takin' punches from a man that can blow an island to pieces wit a punch, that does not require any where near his full power, is a feat. Ryu coulda lost and died in the fight, the fact that he withstood it is the feat. ONCE AGAIN, the fact that Demetri won is not the feat. The feat is Demetri, a creature of flesh is strong enough to hold the energy of billions of planet cores and stars inside him, that's the feat. I hope you get what I'm sayin' now.
It doesn't have to be a feat to prove that the ending is non-canon drivel,
How come when Ryu Matsu Shoryukened Sagat nearly in two, thats a feat? How come When Ryu stalemated Gouki, thats a feat. How come, when Demetri defeated Pyron, thats a feat? But when Dan defeats Bison in a non-canon ending, which according to your logic is admissable as canon ability, thats not a feat?But fine, you want it to be a feat? I'll reword it then, Dan destroyed someone who can tank nukes. Does that make it a feat?
Don't try to play word games or definition shite with me, I've been around the block WAY to many times around here to know the difference
Read what I said... And have a look at your logic. Jinpachi's ending, backed by the storyline of 2 or 3 other characters intros and sub-boss plots confirmes Jinpachi can conceivably be a threat to all lifeforms on earth (Not the planet itself, so he's no planet buster ala - Pyron, but a Civilisation killer...), that confirms it which - according to your logic - is admissable as non-canon, but usable ability?
So yes, I dare say thats setting a Double - Standard
As for the rest, read above, beating someone of equal or higher standing is indeed, most certainly a feat.
Not lying = understandable, but hardly ever making mistakes? = bull$h!t... Everyone makes mistakes no matter who they are... People can be the most well informed as they can be, and still make mistakes, which is very easy to do with Video Game storylines, especially fighting games which tend to be incredibly vage and lack details, Capcom being a BIG culprit of this with their numerous retro-changing and refitting of the story with each new game (Street Fighter 2 being a MASSIVE example of over-retrofitting the story.)
Everyone here has made mistakes in the past, and although not many are likely to admit this, I'll tell you now I've taken my fare share of corrections over my own 3 year career here, and I've dished out just as many, if not more. Some of the old debaters like C-Master, Hoshi, Dvampire, we;ve all made mistakes, and we;ve all corrected someone elses mitakes (And yes, in alot of cases, outright deliberate lies)
Hell even Remo and Remy have made their mistakes despite apparent vast knowlege of Capcom Lore. No amount of knowlege on the subject vaccinates you from Human Error, you would do well to remember that.
*Slaps forhead* I was using it as an example, nothing more... Don't skirt thie issue, just answer the fuggin question. 😉
My career has spanned 3 and a half years here, and I've debated from all sides of the fence, especially fighters. I said it before, those comments where not directed exclusively or inclusively at anyone, if you choose to take that at you, then thats your move, not mine. But you would do well to remember, Assumption is the absolute worst enemy of any debater past present or future, you would do will to avoid doing it.
Dan did not destroy Bison, he beat him in a fight. Now if he vaporized M.Bison and blew up the entire base that would be a feat, but beatin' the boss is not a feat, er one in the game does it in their endin'. Nobody is playin' games wit you, if you can't get what I'm tellin' you, then we need to stop cuz i aint finna repeat the same shit over and over, either you try to understand our you don't.
2. If you can prove what storylines of what 2 or 3 other characters intros and sub-boss plots give evidence of that then Jinpachi can threaten humanity, which is no big deal. You must have me mistaken wit some one else cuz half the shit you said I said...I didn't say.
Beatin' some one is not a feat, the writers can make anybody beat anybody for no reason.
3. I make mistakes in life, yes. But not (much) at KMC, this matter is not that serious to make mistakes wit. Just know wtf your talkin' about and you'll be fine. Okay since I just have to be wrong, I'm right 92% of the time. A regular loser who argues 'bout VGs should be more right than he is wrong at the very least.
4. What was the question again? 😆
And if you use an endin from a game that never happened then the endin is crap.
5.Well okay Mr.Miyagi.
Originally posted by Man of Violence
1. Ryu beatin' Sagat is not a feat. The fact that a human can nearly tear a man in half wit an uppercut is a feat. A regular man could not do that. If Ryu had did it to some average joe it still would've been a feat. So you understand, now and Again, never said Ryu stalematin' Akuma was a feat, I said that Ryu takin' punches from a man that can blow an island to pieces wit a punch, that does not require any where near his full power, is a feat. Ryu coulda lost and died in the fight, the fact that he withstood it is the feat. ONCE AGAIN, the fact that Demetri won is not the feat. The feat is Demetri, a creature of flesh is strong enough to hold the energy of billions of planet cores and stars inside him, that's the feat. I hope you get what I'm sayin' now.Dan did not destroy Bison, he beat him in a fight. Now if he vaporized M.Bison and blew up the entire base that would be a feat, but beatin' the boss is not a feat, er one in the game does it in their endin'. Nobody is playin' games wit you, if you can't get what I'm tellin' you, then we need to stop cuz i aint finna repeat the same shit over and over, either you try to understand our you don't.
Then read my rewording so it fits with your "logic" *Snickers*
Dan's fist's and feet pwned a man who can tank nukes...
As I said before, your trying to have it both ways, and then ONLY to suit your argument. Thats NEVER going to fly.
Originally posted by Man of Violence
2. If you can prove what storylines of what 2 or 3 other characters intros and sub-boss plots give evidence of that then Jinpachi can threaten humanity, which is no big deal. You must have me mistaken wit some one else cuz half the shit you said I said...I didn't say.Beatin' some one is not a feat, the writers can make anybody beat anybody for no reason.
Feng Wei, Lei Wulong and Wang Jinrei have all been stated to say that Jinpachi's power is a threat to all life on the planet.
Originally posted by Man of Violence
3. I make mistakes in life, yes. But not (much) at KMC, this matter is not that serious to make mistakes wit. Just know wtf your talkin' about and you'll be fine. Okay since I just have to be wrong, I'm right 92% of the time. A regular loser who argues 'bout VGs should be more right than he is wrong at the very least.
So, your now saying that mistakes don't happen because EVERYONE is well informed?! 😆 🙄
You've never met the likes of Luffyjin or Xman have you?
Originally posted by Man of Violence
4. What was the question again? 😆And if you use an endin from a game that never happened then the endin is crap.
It's called an example, I used the Meteor killing feat as a way to misrepresent Akuma's ability by saying he can now bust planets with a punch, then I asked you, is that ME misrepresenting the feat, or is it other people misunderstanding the feat because they won't swallow it hook line and sinker.
Misrepresentation of feats happens all the time, and like making mistakes, nobody is ummone to it. You and I are no exeptions
Originally posted by Man of Violence
5.Well okay Mr.Miyagi.
*Takes a bow.*
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroAnd Ryu also did the same thing in his endin' and his endin' is actually canon. BEATING SOME ONE IS NOT A FEAT. THE WRITERS CAN MAKE ANYBODY BEAT ANYBODY NO MATTER HOW STRONG THEY ARE...so now I can say Ryu is powerful enough to beat a guy in one move "who can tank nukes"....that's stupid. I 😂 at that and your current logic.
Then read my rewording so it fits with your "logic" *Snickers*Dan's fist's and feet pwned a man who can tank nukes...
As I said before, your trying to have it both ways, and then ONLY to suit your argument. Thats NEVER going to fly.
Capcom could write Servbot beatin' Pyron.
Do you understand? If you come back wit one more reply that isn't "yes I get such simple logic", then I quit, dude.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroSo, are you sayin' that that aint enough evidence to show that Jinpachi's power is a threat to all life on the planet? How is that a feat?
Feng Wei, Lei Wulong and Wang Jinrei have all been stated to say that Jinpachi's power is a threat to all life on the planet.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroNo, I'm sayin' mistakes don't happen wit me very often cuz I'M well informed.
So, your now saying that mistakes don't happen because EVERYONE is well informed?! 😆 🙄You've never met the likes of Luffyjin or Xman have you?
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroBut if Akuma can bust a Meteor that has enough energy to bust the earth then Akuma can bust the earth. In order to bust the meteor he would need to attack wit more power than the meteor has, which is enough to bust the earth. This means Akuma can bust earth like planets. That would be "other people misunderstanding the feat because they won't swallow it hook line and sinker".
It's called an example, I used the Meteor killing feat as a way to misrepresent Akuma's ability by saying he can now bust planets with a punch, then I asked you, is that ME misrepresenting the feat, or is it other people misunderstanding the feat because they won't swallow it hook line and sinker.Misrepresentation of feats happens all the time, and like making mistakes, nobody is ummone to it. You and I are no exeptions
Originally posted by Man of Violence
And Ryu also did the same thing in his endin' and his endin' is actually canon. BEATING SOME ONE IS NOT A FEAT. THE WRITERS CAN MAKE ANYBODY BEAT ANYBODY NO MATTER HOW STRONG THEY ARE...so now I can say Ryu is powerful enough to beat a guy in one move "who can tank nukes"....that's stupid. I 😂 at that and your current logic.Capcom could write Servbot beatin' Pyron.
Do you understand? If you come back wit one more reply that isn't "yes I get such simple logic", then I quit, dude.
I think I see where your getting confused.
You asked me to demonstrate an ending from a canon game that demonstrates a non-usabe ability, and I did, now your claiming I said that that is in-fact what happened in the story.
I never said that, and would tell anyoone that that is bullshite of the highest order. Of course Dan can't do that, but it does demonstrate my point.
A point which I never even made in the first place... Mind you. Remember, I never argued Canon validity, Not once, all I said was that Feats alone arn't enough to determine the victor in debates like these, and you and V2D jumped on my back like rabid Silverback Gorrillas... So now, even though *I* know just how much "Canon-validity" your arguments posess, I'm now going to force the two of you to actually PROOVE your long standing arguments to the people you SHOULD be debating against instead of trying to snap me in half for stating my own standing on the situation.
Hell man, when I asked a question, neither of you could name me 1 ingame feat!? That alone was a level 3 WTF top me...
Originally posted by Man of Violence
So, are you sayin' that that aint enough evidence to show that Jinpachi's power is a threat to all life on the planet? How is that a feat?
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WTF?!? I'm the one who demonstrated Jinpachi's ability as Canon, most SFer debaters clearly dispute it's validity based on the fact that the ending itself was non-canon...
Now your trying to say that I never said it was canon?
I'm saying that according to your logic, it's a usable ability in these debates.
Now, in the ACTUAL logic off these debates, since Jinpachi never actually demonstrated the ability as defined by these sources, he shouldn;t be allowed access to it because it then becomes an outside theory, we simply do not know what these factors would have on the match itself, or on the opponent for that matter.
This is why I don;t debate using non-canon endings unles they are SPECIFIED in the OP of a debate, where the ground rules of the mach SHOULD be determined before the fight even happens.
So yes, according to MOV logic:
Jinpachi = Civ Killer
According to actual debating logic
Jinpachi never demostrated this ability according to the timeline of the game, therefore the ability is relegated to unusable theory, alongside Ryu's maximum untapped potential and bisons city killing, nuke tanking abilities.
Originally posted by Man of Violence
No, I'm sayin' mistakes don't happen wit me very often cuz I'M well informed.
Uhuh... even though your logic in relaying that information is awkward at best, see above.
Originally posted by Man of Violence
But if Akuma can bust a Meteor that has enough energy to bust the earth then Akuma can bust the earth. In order to bust the meteor he would need to attack wit more power than the meteor has, which is enough to bust the earth. This means Akuma can bust earth like planets. That would be "other people misunderstanding the feat because they won't swallow it hook line and sinker".
There's no evidence of Akuma being able to bust an object the size of a planet, and your forgetting that an asteroid that size would also have considerable inertia and terminal velocity to be able to actually fully destroy the earth. it's like the difference bitween throwing a bullet at someone, and firing it out of a gun at them. Akuma has NEVER demonstyrated planet busting potential EVER, That would put him at High-tier to god tier Darkstalker levels of power, which is ludicrous to say the very least.
so yes, case in point, Feats can be misrepresented to make a character pitifully weak, or ungodly powerful, as exemplified here...
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroWhat you did was say that Dan beatin' Bison was a feat from a ending from a canon game that demonstrates an unusable ability. I'm sayin beatin' some one is not a feat cuz the writers can make anyone beat anyone no matter what. I want you to name a feat from a ending from a canon game that demonstrates an unusable ability that doesn't involve the character beatin' someone. That's all.
I think I see where your getting confused.You asked me to demonstrate an ending from a canon game that demonstrates a non-usabe ability, and I did, now your claiming I said that that is in-fact what happened in the story.
I never said that, and would tell anyoone that that is bullshite of the highest order. Of course Dan can't do that, but it does demonstrate my point.
A point which I never even made in the first place... Mind you. Remember, I never argued Canon validity, Not once, all I said was that Feats alone arn't enough to determine the victor in debates like these, and you and V2D jumped on my back like rabid Silverback Gorrillas... So now, even though *I* know just how much "Canon-validity" your arguments posess, I'm now going to force the two of you to actually PROOVE your long standing arguments to the people you SHOULD be debating against instead of trying to snap me in half for stating my own standing on the situation.
Hell man, when I asked a question, neither of you could name me 1 ingame feat!? That alone was a level 3 WTF top me...
I answered your question (Not really cuz I could not...I tried)
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroThat's what the problem is wit this and what I said it was from the start.
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WTF?!? I'm the one who demonstrated Jinpachi's ability as Canon, most SFer debaters clearly dispute it's validity based on the fact that the ending itself was non-canon...
Now your trying to say that I never said it was canon?
I'm saying that according to your logic, it's a usable ability in these debates.
Now, in the ACTUAL logic off these debates, since Jinpachi never actually demonstrated the ability as defined by these sources, he shouldn;t be allowed access to it because it then becomes an outside theory, we simply do not know what these factors would have on the match itself, or on the opponent for that matter.
This is why I don;t debate using non-canon endings unles they are SPECIFIED in the OP of a debate, where the ground rules of the mach SHOULD be determined before the fight even happens.
So yes, according to MOV logic:
Jinpachi = Civ Killer
According to actual debating logic
Jinpachi never demostrated this ability according to the timeline of the game, therefore the ability is relegated to unusable theory, alongside Ryu's maximum untapped potential and bisons city killing, nuke tanking abilities....
I WASN'T AMONG "most SFer debaters clearly disputing it's validity based on the fact that the ending itself was non-canon".
THAT WASN'T ME!!! I NERVE DID THAT! This is my 1st time bein' at odds wit you. I haven't been here for THAT long. Based on the evidence you provided I think Jinpachi can threaten life on earth. But his endin' did not say he could but based on the stories of those characters I don't see why the game its self would lie on Jinpachi. I have not contradicted myself which is why when you say I have double standards I'm like, WTF?! You have never debated me. We have always been basically on the same side. which Is why when you started callin' peeps a fanbois I was like ,what?! I agreed wit you all these times and now that I don't this one time I'm a fanboi?
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroIf the info was awkward I wouldn't use it.
Uhuh... even though your logic in relaying that information is awkward at best, see above.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroSo are you sayin' that just cuz he destroyed a meteor that can destroy earth doesn't mean he can destroy earth.
There's no evidence of Akuma being able to bust an object the size of a planet, and your forgetting that an asteroid that size would also have considerable inertia and terminal velocity to be able to actually fully destroy the earth. it's like the difference bitween throwing a bullet at someone, and firing it out of a gun at them. Akuma has NEVER demonstyrated planet busting potential EVER, That would put him at High-tier to god tier Darkstalker levels of power, which is ludicrous to say the very least.so yes, case in point, Feats can be misrepresented to make a character pitifully weak, or ungodly powerful, as exemplified here...
I hope that this is still an example cuz I DO NOT THINK Akuma can busts meteors.