Ken Masters VS Geese Howard

Originally posted by Man of Violence
What you did was say that Dan beatin' Bison was a feat from a ending from a canon game that demonstrates an unusable ability. I'm sayin beatin' some one is not a feat cuz the writers can make anyone beat anyone no matter what. I want you to name a feat from a ending from a canon game that demonstrates an unusable ability that doesn't involve the character beatin' someone. That's all.

I answered your question (Not really cuz I could not...I tried)

Sodom's truck taking out point 48106. Dhalsim is able to destroy the Drive by shouting "YOGA!!" repeatedly, Blanka's Electricity doing the same thing... Bison getting pwned by 20mm gunfire despite surviving god knows how many nukes Charlie dropped less than a scene beforehand., and Dan's fists and feet being more powerful than said nukes.

Your not going to squirm your way around that with me, I'm pro street fighter here since longer than these debates have been raging, I know all the angles and the tricks from both sides of this fence, I ask you again not to treat me like I'm no Capcom fan and don't know what I'm talking about... Ask Sado, he's been my opponent for the better part of his 2 1/2 years here.

Originally posted by Man of Violence
That's what the problem is wit this and what I said it was from the start.

I WASN'T AMONG "most SFer debaters clearly disputing it's validity based on the fact that the ending itself was non-canon".
THAT WASN'T ME!!! I NERVE DID THAT! This is my 1st time bein' at odds wit you. I haven't been here for THAT long. Based on the evidence you provided I think Jinpachi can threaten life on earth. But his endin' did not say he could but based on the stories of those characters I don't see why the game its self would lie on Jinpachi. I have not contradicted myself which is why when you say I have double standards I'm like, WTF?! You have never debated me. We have always been basically on the same side. which Is why when you started callin' peeps a fanbois I was like ,what?! I agreed wit you all these times and now that I don't this one time I'm a fanboi?

The fact is that the character never ACTUALLY used the power to begin with, he never got the chance, and we can't have debates where people start using an unquantifiable ability because it's never been done.. it's not testable, confirmable, it makes assumptions, it's falsifiable, and it cannot be corrected...

When did I call anyone a Fanboi? I hate that term. I have only ever used thoise terms to describe certain illogical schizophrenic nutjobs anything remotely close to that, people like Cloud or Luffyjin who have wierd obsessions with ragging on characters they are going against, while wanking out the characters they want to win.

I never said you where one of these, And rememner, YOU jumped on MY back because I said while feats are important, they arn't the debate-enders people think they are, in fact, I don't even think they are the most important peices of information in debates.

Originally posted by Man of Violence
If the info was awkward I wouldn't use it.

Bulldust... the info your relying on is based around endings that are non-canon more often than not, and even reliant on Anime and Udon Comic sources that you can't even prove ARE able to be used to guage usable ability...about 60% of endings from Alpha 2 are non-canon,, about 90% of endings in SFA3 are non canon, while the rest are only partly canon. all but 1 ending in SF2 is non-canon, SFex is entirely non canon, and about 80% of endings from the entire SF3 series is non-canon.

ANYTHING in the non-canon endings should be inadmissable, since they never happened.

Originally posted by Man of Violence
So are you sayin' that just cuz he destroyed a meteor that can destroy earth doesn't mean he can destroy earth.

I hope that this is still an example cuz I DO NOT THINK Akuma can busts meteors.

Thats exacly what I'm saying, but certain peole over the years have abused this feat, misrepresented it, and claimed people as idiots when they didn't want a bar of it, thats a classic example of misrepresentation of feats, and it happens more often than most are aware.

will you two shut up.

*Farts loudly*

Try and make me, Farty breath 😄 😘

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Sodom's truck taking out point 48106.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Dhalsim is able to destroy the Drive by shouting "YOGA!!" repeatedly,

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Blanka's Electricity doing the same thing...

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
getting pwned by 20mm gunfire despite surviving god knows how many nukes Charlie dropped less than a scene beforehand., and Dan's fists and feet being more powerful than said nukes.

BISON IS NOT AN OBJECT, HE IS A CHARACTER, BEATING A CHARACTER IS NO FEAT NO MATTER HOW MUCH STRONGER THE CHARACTER IS OVER THE GUY THAT WON.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Your not going to squirm your way around that with me, I'm pro street fighter here since longer than these debates have been raging, I know all the angles and the tricks from both sides of this fence, I ask you again not to treat me like I'm no Capcom fan and don't know what I'm talking about... Ask Sado, he's been my opponent for the better part of his 2 1/2 years here.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
The fact is that the character never ACTUALLY used the power to begin with, he never got the chance, and we can't have debates where people start using an unquantifiable ability because it's never been done.. it's not testable, confirmable, it makes assumptions, it's falsifiable, and it cannot be corrected...

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I said while feats are important, they arn't the debate-enders people think they are, in fact, I don't even think they are the most important peices of information in debates

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Bulldust... the info your relying on is based around endings that are non-canon more often than not, and even reliant on Anime and Udon Comic sources that you can't even prove ARE able to be used to gauge usable ability...

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
about 60% of endings from Alpha 2 are non-canon,, about 90% of endings in SFA3 are non canon, while the rest are only partly canon. all but 1 ending in SF2 is non-canon, SFex is entirely non canon, and about 80% of endings from the entire SF3 series is non-canon.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
ANYTHING in the non-canon endings should be inadmissable, since they never happened..

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Thats exacly what I'm saying, but certain peole over the years have abused this feat, misrepresented it, and claimed people as idiots when they didn't want a bar of it, thats a classic example of misrepresentation of feats, and it happens more often than most are aware.

Dude...for the last time...

BISON IS NOT AN OBJECT, HE IS A CHARACTER, BEATING A CHARACTER IS NO FEAT NO MATTER HOW MUCH STRONGER THE CHARACTER IS OVER THE GUY THAT WON.

the scene doesn't make sense. since when Dan's fist was more powerful than a nuke? also, Fei Long strike, E-Honda attacks are stronger than a nuke? even the nuke itself is non-canon where Bison didn't self exploded even after the drive was destroyed. dude, non-canon can't be used.

But it shows that they can which is just as good as doin' it in times like these. They say Superman is faster than a seedin' bullet but cuz he never had an actual race wit a bullet he isn't? Imo, that's dumb.

like I said, non-canon endings can't be used . Bison doesn't vape even after his drive was destroyed. it was stated that Superman is faster than a bullet. but it never sated if Dan's fist is stronger than a nuke(which is ridiculous).

Originally posted by Man of Violence
?

Yes, in Sodom's ending, his truch driving over the top of the bases closed Silo was enough to destroy the entire friggin base...

Originally posted by Man of Violence
He wasn't just shoutin' he was usin' spiritual power. And why would that be IMPOSSIBLE for Dahlsim to do? The drive is not indestructible.

Err, Dude, you have to prove that thats what he was doing forst, then you have to prove that his spiritual powers are enough to destroy the entire resirvoir of built up negative energy.

I'm guessing not.

Originally posted by Man of Violence
And why is that IMPOSSIBLE for Blanka? The drive has no durability feats at all.

Just how much Electrical energy do you think Blanka can Discharge?!

Originally posted by Man of Violence
Dude...for the last time...

BISON IS NOT AN OBJECT, HE IS A CHARACTER, BEATING A CHARACTER IS NO FEAT NO MATTER HOW MUCH STRONGER THE CHARACTER IS OVER THE GUY THAT WON.

Uhuh... Is that simply because you state so?

Your dictating the terms of the debate to me whilist at the same time trying to fight me on canon validity...

Common sense just threw itself into a volcano...

Originally posted by Man of Violence
Dude...I have no idea who you think I am...you sayin' I'm tryin' to do stuff that I'm not. Your talkin' really weird now.

Read above, your trying to dictate to me canon validity in terms of feats, when I've been here longer than anyone else left now, AND on top of that, you just claimed I said shite I never did.

Originally posted by Man of Violence
and i disagree wit that entire statement cuz...The makers would not make a canon character accomplish a feat in a canon game if they were not truly able. That should be common sense but hey I guess we will continue to disagree...

You can disagree with it all day long, fact of the matter is they never did it, which makes it non-canon, and unusable, unless you want to bring in assumptions and theory into the debate, which opens the doors for all kinds of things. I don't mind proper theory, but when people get selective is when problems start.

As for the writers lying, are you effen kidding me? Capcom has retconned SFers story more often than I change my socks, they lie through their teeth every other game... Or rather, that CHANGE the story to suit whatever new game they release.

Originally posted by Man of Violence
And I disagree and there is nothin' you can do to change my mind, usin' your logic the fact that Akuma can destroy islands and split mountains (AYERS PHUCKIN' ROCK) is not enough evidence for why Akuma will destroy Dan even though Dan clearly can not 😂 . That just seems stupid to me but that's just my opinion.

No, it's not enough, but on top of his feats, we know Akuma has a massive Skill, Endurance, Speed, and Experience advantage over dan, not to mention a whole lot more raw talent, AND a massive list of abilities.

Face it dude, Feats only demonstrate like about 1/5th of the required evidence needed to win a real debate, you newbies havn't tasted real debates yet...

Originally posted by Man of Violence
What the hell is wrong with you people on this damn forum?! I proved that they "ARE able to be used to gauge usable ability" already. I'm to the point were I'm just gonna put er body on my ignore list, even people I don't even debate against.

Where on this thread did you prove it? I asked repeatedly, and I see nothing, not even a link to the thread you did it in, nay a quote or nothin... Your yelling at me because I'm not in every thread you post in?

Give me a friggin break.

I already said *I* have the proof of this, I can demonstrate it any time I choose, but since it's not even remotely valid to the argument I was making, and YOU forced it on here, then I saaid it was up to you to prove it as a matter of principal. Don't turn freako on me and run away because I don't see your apparent proof elsewhere on the forums.

Originally posted by Man of Violence
I know that shit already, dude. But the games you mentioned ARE ALL CANON.

Thats got nothing to do with individual ending's validity MOV, you know this.

Originally posted by Man of Violence
But it shows that they can which is just as good as doin' it in times like these. They say Superman is faster than a seedin' bullet but cuz he never had an actual race wit a bullet he isn't? Imo, that's dumb.

Thats a shitty analergy, we have other instances where he moves faster than a bullet that are confirmed official, this debunks your assessment entirely.

Originally posted by Man of Violence
To bad the feat was done in a NON-CANON game so it should never even be used.

Nice strawman, completely avoided the fact that it was an example only... 😠

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Yes, in Sodom's ending, his truch driving over the top of the bases closed Silo was enough to destroy the entire friggin base...

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Err, Dude, you have to prove that thats what he was doing forst, then you have to prove that his spiritual powers are enough to destroy the entire resirvoir of built up negative energy.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Just how much Electrical energy do you think Blanka can Discharge?!.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Uhuh... Is that simply because you state so?

Common sense at KMC was in the volcano, I came and pulled it out.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Read above, your trying to dictate to me canon validity in terms of feats, when I've been here longer than anyone else left now, AND on top of that, you just claimed I said shite I never did?

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
You can disagree with it all day long, fact of the matter is they never did it, which makes it non-canon, and unusable, unless you want to bring in assumptions and theory into the debate, which opens the doors for all kinds of things. I don't mind proper theory, but when people get selective is when problems start
As for the writers lying, are you effen kidding me? Capcom has retconned SFers story more often than I change my socks, they lie through their teeth every other game... Or rather, that CHANGE the story to suit whatever new game they release.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
No, it's not enough, but on top of his feats, we know Akuma has a massive Skill, ..

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Endurance, ..

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Speed

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
and Experience advantage over dan, not to mention a whole lot more raw talent, AND a massive list of abilities..

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Face it dude, Feats only demonstrate like about 1/5th of the required evidence needed to win a real debate, you newbies havn't tasted real debates yet..

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Where on this thread did you prove it? I asked repeatedly, and I see nothing, not even a link to the thread you did it in, nay a quote or nothin... Your yelling at me because I'm not in every thread you post in?

Give me a friggin break.

I already said *I* have the proof of this, I can demonstrate it any time I choose, but since it's not even remotely valid to the argument I was making, and YOU forced it on here, then I saaid it was up to you to prove it as a matter of principal. Don't turn freako on me and run away because I don't see your apparent proof elsewhere on the forums...

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Thats got nothing to do with individual ending's validity MOV, you know this.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Thats a shitty analergy, we have other instances where he moves faster than a bullet that are confirmed official, this debunks your assessment entirely.

Asuka punchin' Jin into a boulder is a feat for her even tho that endin' never happened

D.Jin blowin' up a motorcycle is a feat, despite the fact that that never happended

Orochi bein' able to end life on earth even though he never says anything like that in the canon endin' of KOF 97.

Takuma's feat of bein' able to destroy a statelite even tho that never happened.

And the list goes on...

So I guess all of that is BS too, huh?

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Nice strawman, completely avoided the fact that it was an example only... 😠

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

Where on this thread did you prove it? I asked repeatedly, and I see nothing, not even a link to the thread you did it in, nay a quote or nothin... Your yelling at me because I'm not in every thread you post in?

Give me a friggin break.

I already said *I* have the proof of this, I can demonstrate it any time I choose, but since it's not even remotely valid to the argument I was making, and YOU forced it on here, then I saaid it was up to you to prove it as a matter of principal. Don't turn freako on me and run away because I don't see your apparent proof elsewhere on the forums.

According to Udon everything they write and draw has to get the okay from Capcom of Japan. They have to submit a synopsis and script and get the okay from the bosses overseas. This means they have to be faithful to the source material and mindful of the way they present the universe. This sounds like an excuse for playing it safe. As long as the licensing checks clear I don't know what Capcom would object to. Udon never takes the material anywhere further than fanservice because they don't want to offend the parent company.

LINK
http://www.capcom-unity.com/bigmex/... /> nt_from_1up