Ken Masters VS Geese Howard

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Oh for the love of........

I DIDN'T SAY YOU COULD'T USE OTHER MEDIA IN ORDINARY DEBATES!!!

I asked a simple question, and I get the runaround... If you can't name ingame feats you should have fugging said so when I asked in the first place, not drag out the thing over 2 pages...

I mean, for christ sake it's not a difficult thing to admit is it?

Endings are for the most part, what-if's, they have never been canon unless they are CONFIRMED to be so.

And yes, Pyron has a bucketload of ingame, even gameplay feats that you simply either not seeing, or your being stubborn because what I'm asking for doesn't coincide with your almighty story feats...

Come on Jax, your better than that.

Rather the endin is canon or not doesn't take away the feats produced in the endin'. The event is NOT canon but the actions taken in the endin are. Now this does not apply to non canon games like MVC.

If that up there does not pretain to yur argument then I suppose you might as well drop the discussion cuz I don't know WTF you are tryin' to get across to us or at least to me.

*going by Ken's "endurance feats"*
Geese trips Ken. Ken dies

Ryu: oh no! they killed kenny! 🙁

Originally posted by Man of Violence
I don't get yur point at all.

Rather the endin is canon or not doesn't take away the feats produced in the endin'. The event is NOT canon but the actions taken in the endin are. Now this does not apply to non canon games like MVC.

If that up there does not pretain to yur argument then I suppose you might as well drop the discussion cuz I don't know WTF you are tryin' to get across to us or at least to me.

*Sigh...*

#1: Can you prove that Non-canon endings demonstrate usable ability? And why does this only apply to certain games and not others of equal quality? For example "Jinpachi Ending"

#2: I asked you to name ingame feats, you couldn't, this proves that the most valuable feats fall to the wayside in favour of yout trusty "Story feats" that for a good portion of, cannot be proven to be a canon ability in the first place.

Make no mistake, I confirmed whats canon and whats not in reguards to capcom's fighters because I bought all the stuff. I can spot the gold in the shit from 12 parsecs away.. 😛

What I am getting at is that your well beloved feats, even though they can be proven, can also be grosely misinterpreted and misrepresented in these debates, hence why they arn't ALWAYS the most convincing of evidence.

#1: Can you prove that Non-canon endings demonstrate usable ability? And why does this only apply to certain games and not others of equal quality? For example "Jinpachi Ending"

Hey, look, I usually support Capcom characters for the most part, but there's a line bitween supporting them when your right, and blowing out chunks of garbage because one oozes affection for the characters...

And that line should be friggin huge...

Hey, look, I usually support Capcom characters for the most part, but there's a line bitween supporting them when your right, and blowing out chunks of garbage because one oozes affection for the characters.

Originally posted by Sado22
which is what the problem is what SF supporters. i remember a time when i was arguing with a dude who insisted that Ryu can beat Omega Rugal. so i asked him if he thought that ryu can beat the entire cast of KoF95. guess what his answer was? 🙄

😱 interesting. what did he said?

it was an "overrated" answer 😄

Originally posted by Sado22
which is what the problem is what SF supporters.

Excuse me?

I have never seen more rabid SF haters on this board than any other board in my life. Fortunately, most of them are gone.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
#1: Can you prove that Non-canon endings demonstrate usable ability? And why does this only apply to certain games and not others of equal quality? For example "Jinpachi Ending"

#2: I asked you to name ingame feats, you couldn't, this proves that the most valuable feats fall to the wayside in favour of yout trusty "Story feats" that for a good portion of, cannot be proven to be a canon ability in the first place.

Make no mistake, I confirmed whats canon and whats not in reguards to capcom's fighters because I bought all the stuff. I can spot the gold in the shit from 12 parsecs away.. 😛

What I am getting at is that your well beloved feats, even though they can be proven, can also be grosely misinterpreted and misrepresented in these debates, hence why they arn't ALWAYS the most convincing of evidence.

2. I gave you feats from the game's canon. But no, they had to be gameplay feats. Which is stupid and retarded, and always will be. Story feats cannot be proven to be canon? Other than being a CANON part of the character? That statement was ignorant in every sense of the word. Every feat of Pyron's, other than obvious shit like he can shapeshift and is like really strong, was from the canon storyline of the game.

3. You don't appear to have a grasp of what=a game feat and what an outside media source is.

4. "Gee, since Jinpachi can threaten existence, even though he is virtually featless, he must be able to beat up Gouki!"

4. "Gee, since Jinpachi can threaten existence, even though he is virtually featless, he must be able to beat up Gouki!"

~Sado

Look, if you don't have ggameplay feats, then I can conceivably prove that Pyron can't even manipulate things physically...

Example, your Planets orbiting his fingers feat.. Sure, it's impressive as heck, but cn he grab those planets and sqish-em like pimples? I can say no, because he is a being of energy, not matter. He can burn em up, but he can't physically crush them.

Do you like my demonstration now? Without gameplay, he can't be proven to physically touch anything... Now you and I both know thats bullshit.

You gave me feats, but nothing even remotely from the actual game short of non-canon endings. What you gave me was Udon feats, and a few tidbits from the OVA, which I told you was NOT what I was looking for. I'll say it again because your choosing to ignore me. I DIDN'T SAY THEY WHERN'T CANON, ALL I ASKED WAS FOR YOU TO DEMONSTRATE IN-GAME FEATS!

Alright... Jaxx, if you REALLY want to try so desperately to validate OVA and Udon as canon, despite me not even erguing their validity, why don't you SHOW these anti Capcom debaters WHERE it's stated that Udon and Anime are valid for character abilities...

Go on... I have my evidence, so I know I can do it, but thats not even my argument, so I'm leaving that shite to you now.

If you can't do it, then say so and stop wasting my time arguing a point I'm not even making...

Alright... Jaxx, if you REALLY want to try so desperately to validate OVA and Udon as canon, despite me not even erguing their validity, why don't you SHOW these anti Capcom debaters WHERE it's stated that Udon and Anime are valid for character abilities...

Go on... I have my evidence, so I know I can do it, but thats not even my argument, so I'm leaving that shite to you now.

I'll answer that, but only to go so far as to say that abilities demonstrated therein (Despite some of them being grossely overestimated, like Charlie destroying a cliffside with a Somersault Justice (!!!)) are considered accurate represenation by Capcom...

But I'll leave proving that to Jaxx till he can either do it, or confesses that he can't.

PS. Waith for a PM from me.

yeah, but charlie's the shite 😄

Admittedly though, at that point, Charlie was pumped up on Psycho Power Steroids so...

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
1: Can you prove that Non-canon endings demonstrate usable ability? And why does this only apply to certain games and not others of equal quality? For example "Jinpachi Ending"

Name me one endin' in DS or SF where a characters' power is over exaggerated. You can't, I got the PSP version right now wit all the endins on it and there ain't one. It would be stupid to have Dan, for example, be the weakest character in the game but in his enedin' he does a Gadoken and blows up the world. There is no endin' where a character does a feat that is beyond his power except for non-canon games, like MVC and CFE, for example. Reasons why some games apply and others don't is cuz the games that dont apply are completly noncanon, games that could never actually happen like MVC. The version of Bison in MVC is not the real Bison so any feat done by Bison in that game belongs to THAT Bison, not the SF Bison. The version of Bison in SF IS the real Bison so any feat done by Bison in that game belongs to THAT Bison, not the MVC Bison. Do you get what I'm sayin'?

And I have no idea what you mean by "Jinpachi Ending".

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
##2: I asked you to name ingame feats, you couldn't, this proves that the most valuable feats fall to the wayside in favour of yout trusty "Story feats" that for a good portion of, cannot be proven to be a canon ability in the first place.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Make no mistake, I confirmed whats canon and whats not in reguards to capcom's fighters because I bought all the stuff. I can spot the gold in the shit from 12 parsecs away..

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
What I am getting at is that your well beloved feats, even though they can be proven, can also be grosely misinterpreted and misrepresented in these debates, hence why they arn't ALWAYS the most convincing of evidence.

Originally posted by DSZ
Hey, look, I usually support Capcom characters for the most part, but there's a line bitween supporting them when your right, and blowing out chunks of garbage because one oozes affection for the characters...

And that line should be friggin huge...

Originally posted by Sado22
*going by Ken's "endurance feats"*
Geese trips Ken. Ken dies

Ryu: oh no! they killed kenny! 🙁

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Jinpachi in his ending flew away. Whoa. That's some impressive shit right there. Why would the creators in the actual game portray the characters doing something they are incapable of doing?

No, just cuz a character has no feats in that aspect doesn't mean he's totally weak in that aspect. Cuz Ken has no "endurance feats" he should at least be held at the level of a skilled regular martial artist and as far as I know, regular humans don't die from bein' tripped and seein as how Geese has no "endurance feats" the same can be said for him.

Ken has no endurance feat. and i was talking about the time in the 1st USAMA tournament where Ken was about to lose to some no name chum who tossed ken to the ground and ken was put in a pinch hysterical

Originally posted by Man of Violence
Damn DSZ Chill, I thought we were cool, "ace coon boon in the boom boom room". 😄

We are cool, All I'm trying to do is make a demonstration, and you guys are all over my tail about it, Do you know what happens when you step on someone's tail? They turn around and snap you in half for it

Originally posted by Man of Violence
Name me one endin' in DS or SF where a characters' power is over exaggerated. You can't, I got the PSP version right now wit all the endins on it and there ain't one. It would be stupid to have Dan, for example, be the weakest character in the game but in his enedin' he does a Gadoken and blows up the world. There is no endin' where a character does a feat that is beyond his power except for non-canon games, like MVC and CFE, for example. Reasons why some games apply and others don't is cuz the games that dont apply are completly noncanon, games that could never actually happen like MVC. The version of Bison in MVC is not the real Bison so any feat done by Bison in that game belongs to THAT Bison, not the SF Bison. The version of Bison in SF IS the real Bison so any feat done by Bison in that game belongs to THAT Bison, not the MVC Bison. Do you get what I'm sayin'?

Dan defeating Bison with the Hisshou Burai Ken even before the Drive was destroyed being a really huge one... That was easy enough...

I didn't even mention MVC, CVS, SVC or CFE... WTF did that come from?

Originally posted by Man of Violence
And I have no idea what you mean by "Jinpachi Ending".

You expect people to swallow that Non-canon endings for Capcom characters demonstrate true and usable ability, yet deny the same privelage to other fighting games, Jinpachi being a threat to life on earth is a major one, and the centerpoint of much conflict in these debates... I personally think if it's non-canon, it's inadmissable as evidence for use in debates unless the Thread-Starter says so.

The simple fact of the matter is, even though Non Caonon endings are impressive, the simple fact is that the character has never ACTUALLY done the feat according to the timeline. Do you get my understanding now?

Originally posted by Man of Violence
That's where you and I differ, you think that the most valuable feats are in-game feats. I dont. Any feat shown that Capcom has said or shown the character doin' is just a valuable to me.

I never said that they are MORE valuable, I said they should be used with equal measure..

Originally posted by Man of Violence
Then you know that er feat I bring to the table is said canon by Capcom rather it came from a game or not. I wouldn't say it if it wasn't true, it aint that serious to me to lie over a VG character, yo. 🙁

So you never lie AND you never wrong? You must be the Jesus of KMC VGvs... 😆

Originally posted by Man of Violence
If some body misinterprets the feat, it aint my fault, it's thier's and they need to get thier shit straight. Tell me DSZ, drop some knowledge on me, tutor me to the game, open that door for me, show me the light...what is more important than feats? After sayin' so, give me an example, PLEEZ!

So, let me get this straight... If I say that "Gouki can blow up earth ith a punch 'cause he did it to an asteroid capable of blowing up Earth", then thats others misinterpreting feats, not me misrepresenting feats?

err... 🙄

Originally posted by Man of Violence
Are you talkin' bout' me cuz I really am tryin' to be civil but when peeps start sayin' stupid shit like that about me, it can really phuck a debate up. So just let me know now if that's how you feel, yo. Cuz If you do, then your a total retard if you think I feel that way and your still tryin' to argue a point and expect me to accept it. I "ooz affection for the characters", I will never listen to you, that's common sence. So if you feel like this you might as well not reply to the post above and stop.

I named no names... if you think that was directed at anyone specific, you'd be mistaken. That comment covers a broad spectrum of debaters I have had to speak to over my 3 and a half year career here...