Originally posted by carver9I'm not bringing up low showings, I'm showing why a statement means nothing... 😐
Show me where colossus made him look like he been through war, a nice scan would help and lets not talk about low showing because I promise you that superman low showings is a lot worse then gladiator, batman comes to mind.
Anyway, the end result of Glads vs Colossus:
http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gladiatorvscolossus22vx.jpg
Originally posted by carver9When did he do this?
Hyperion fought the entire avengers, including thor and stalemated him. Hyperion defeated thor, wonderman and vision. By all means hyperion is a true top tier and I promise you that he could give superman a fight, he might not win but he would give him a challenge. He's everything superman is with a healing factor that makes immortals look like shit.
If you had some reading comprehension, all I said was that if Hyperion was never damaged like you said he wasn't, then that's because he's never really fought anyone either.
Originally posted by carver9I know the Gladiator vs Hyperion fight was canon... what are you talking about? Unless you're responding to me calling something non-canon, and that was Surfer vs Gladiator.
Show me a scan of hyperion being damaged besides the time he fought his clone. By the way, that hyperion and gladiator fight was cannon.
Do you seriously need this?
Anyway...
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4741/thingvshyperion2th8.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd202/Genis101/HyperionvsThor1.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd202/Genis101/HyperionHulkvsOvermind1.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd202/Genis101/Hyperionhealing1.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd202/Genis101/Hyperionhealing2.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Avengersv306-14.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor_280-04.jpg
Etc.
Originally posted by carver9
A nice scan would help showing something stating that hyperion is the strongest in the universe. If we are talking about earth x hyperion, I agree and I also think that he would whip both superman and gladiator ass at the same time.
Originally posted by carver9Because he's a top tier... 😐
Why wouldnt you consider gladiator god like when he has on panel proof making him look like one. Swimming through stars, flying in the heart of a solar system destroying blast without even register in. Moving planets under his own power and ripping through planets. On panel proof that he is able to fly 100 times the speed of light, one handing the baxter building. About to punch sam from the earth to the core of the sun; being known as one of the strongest beings in the universe. Stated on panel that if he kept fight supreme they would have destroyed the solar system. Throwing a ship the size of texas at eye blinding speed. Walking through titanium in new xmen like it was aluminum foil. The walls was stated as being unbreachable. Hell, he might not be a god but he is truly above top tier and is pulling of things that high heralds cant even do.
Jesus...
Originally posted by carver9Wow, so you think he wants to be knocked out, have his arm broken, etc, etc?
I guess he do wants to be touched since he like to brawl and he has been trained by the best martial artist shiar has to offer. Dont take away his ability because you dont like it. On panel proof>>>>>>your words.
Originally posted by carver9I've never seen it, so since you won't take my word for anything, prove it.
By the way, he did move a planet under his own strength, the scan is on his respect thread. I tried to pull it up but it wouldnt allow me because the scan is old. Its well within his power to do this.
Originally posted by carver9I'm not trying to prove that Superman can blitz at this speed, I'm just finding it funny how you use scans of him bullrushing at near lightspeed velocity, when you tell how much faster he is than light.
Now show me a scan where its saying that superman blitzed at near light speed, hell show me a scan of him blitzing something at the speed of sound.The last scans that I seen that quoted superman speed was one where superman stated himself that he cant go the speed of light. Another one was when doctor light stated that he wasnt going close to the speed of light. Another one was when he was racing flash and the only speed that was giving in that race was 2000 mps even though it said that they were accelerating. Another one was when a being was asking superman was he TRYING to go the speed of light. I provided you with on panel proof, do the same for me.
I know he's faster than light by the way before you start.
I'm not bringing up low showings, I'm showing why a statement means nothing... 😐
If you're bringing up colossus dong anything to gladiator that is considered a low showing, which almost every character in marvel or dc have.
I asked you to show me a scan of someone damaging hyperion, you only show me a scan of people punching him. I know that people can punch him but noone did any damage.
Then you put up a scan of a being that can basically cut through any substance in existence, including hyperion, basically a magical based being. Like I said before, gladiator was the only being to damage/break something on hyperion.
I'm not trying to prove that Superman can blitz at this speed, I'm just finding it funny how you use scans of him bullrushing at near lightspeed velocity, when you tell how much faster he is than light.
Since you're comparing superman to glads, I want you to show me superman blitzing someone at near light, hell, at the speed of sound. It shouldnt be hard since he is glads equal and he has blitzed at the speed of light before. When you put up this scan I want to see it say that he blitzed at such and such speed inistead of using these panels multiplied by distance crap.
Wow, so you think he wants to be knocked out, have his arm broken, etc, etc?
the same can be said about supes, you all say that he has all of this speed but on panel he get hit by bricks and this has been going on his entire career.
I'm not taking away his ability, since it's not an ability at all, just Glads hyping himself up.
Well it wasnt just gladiator that said this about himself, professor x also said that gladiator has the ability to do anything when he put his mind to it.
Originally posted by Enyalus
A few things: One, a miniature black hole has less mass than it's larger versions, meaning that it weighs less. They also only produce heat when they have an accretion disk (matter swirling around the event horizon), which that one didn't have. And the more matter they gather, the hotter the temperatures (so mini black holes would be cooler than massive ones). The gravity is the same in each version, however.
To correct you, most experts agree blackholes havd identical properties regardless of size and it's already been proven that the smaller a blackhole is the hotter it is...its not something thats really refutable.
Originally posted by carver9How soon we forget things we don't like...
If you're bringing up colossus dong anything to gladiator that is considered a low showing, which almost every character in marvel or dc have.
"The entire xmen combined cant put a scratch on gladiator.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/gladiatorxmen.jpg"
That's what you put, and I'm responding to it, and it means shit.
Originally posted by carver9In every scan Hyperion was damaged/hurt. In one he said he was almost killed.
I asked you to show me a scan of someone damaging hyperion, you only show me a scan of people punching him. I know that people can punch him but noone did any damage.
Originally posted by carver9Gladiator was really the only person to have an extended fight with Hyperion as well. Why the hell wouldn't he be the only one to accomplish this?
Then you put up a scan of a being that can basically cut through any substance in existence, including hyperion, basically a magical based being. Like I said before, gladiator was the only being to damage/break something on hyperion.
Originally posted by carver9I don't believe I did compare Supes to Glads though.
Since you're comparing superman to glads, I want you to show me superman blitzing someone at near light, hell, at the speed of sound. It shouldnt be hard since he is glads equal and he has blitzed at the speed of light before. When you put up this scan I want to see it say that he blitzed at such and such speed inistead of using these panels multiplied by distance crap.
Besides, what does the speed of a blitz matter, when it's painfully obvious that both combatants will be able to hit one another (if we judge character history)? Supes does it better, Glads does it faster. Glads has been hit while doing his blitzes (by lesser beings than Superman), and Superman isn't fast enough to be unhittable by Glads.
What it boils down to, is other factors entirely. I don't know what you think this does though.
Originally posted by carver9Uh-huh... except you just said that:
the same can be said about supes, you all say that he has all of this speed but on panel he get hit by bricks and this has been going on his entire career.
Which was taken from here:
""If I dont want to be touched"
http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1uh8.jpg"
And your response would indicate that everytime Gladiator gets hurt/KO'ed, he actually wants that to happen.
Nowhere was combat speed brought up, in fact, that's just you trying to disorient me, or are very confused about what your scans actually mean.
Originally posted by carver9Ya well, that's not true either, so why bring it up? Or else he wouldn't have had his arm broken recently, and would have punched Galactus straight off the planet. He's a highly powerful being, but let's try to assert statements to make him look invincible.
Well it wasnt just gladiator that said this about himself, professor x also said that gladiator has the ability to do anything when he put his mind to it.
Originally posted by The Great GalenReally, because I believe I heard the massive black holes in the middle of most galaxies are the strongest.
To correct you, most experts agree blackholes havd identical properties regardless of size and it's already been proven that the smaller a blackhole is the hotter it is...its not something thats really refutable.
These black holes are billions of times the mass of our sun, while other smaller ones are about 10x.
Sauce: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7573364.stm
Where did you read what you said?
Originally posted by Mindset
Really, because I believe I heard the massive black holes in the middle of most galaxies are the strongest.These black holes are billions of times the mass of our sun, while other smaller ones are about 10x.
Sauce: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7573364.stm
Where did you read what you said?
Im not doubting power, I said they have similar properties so technically there power is similar regardless of size.
Originally posted by Red Hulk
Besides, what does the speed of a blitz matter, when it's painfully obvious that both combatants will be able to hit one another (if we judge character history)? Supes does it better, Glads does it faster. Glads has been hit while doing his blitzes (by lesser beings than Superman), and Superman isn't fast enough to be unhittable by Glads.
Personally, I consider Supes h2h speed vastly above anything Glads has done so I would argue glads shoudlnt be able to hit Supes unless clark decides to brawl it.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Personally, I consider Supes h2h speed vastly above anything Glads has done so I would argue glads shoudlnt be able to hit Supes unless clark decides to brawl it.
Good post, very good post, dont know where to start.
[i]"The entire xmen combined cant put a scratch on gladiator.
Where did it say that it was colossus that put the scratch on him, it could have been all those thousands of tons that fell on top of them that did it.
In every scan Hyperion was damaged/hurt. In one he said he was almost killed.
Do you know what the word damage means, hurt and damage are two different things. I can be hurting but not have a scratch on me from a punch. In none of those scans that you showed, hyperion had no damage at all except the one where he gets cut but hell, I dont know a being that could withstand those blades.
Gladiator was really the only person to have an extended fight with Hyperion as well. Why the hell wouldn't he be the only one to accomplish this?
Thor has fought hyperion on too many of occasions, hulk fought hyperion along with wonderman and he never had a scratch on him. I agree, hes not invulnerable but he is close as hell.
Besides, what does the speed of a blitz matter, when it's painfully obvious that both combatants will be able to hit one another (if we judge character history)? Supes does it better, Glads does it faster. Glads has been hit while doing his blitzes (by lesser beings than Superman), and Superman isn't fast enough to be unhittable by Glads.
I agree with this statement and I dont have anything to say behind it but I would love for you to show me a scan of superman blitzing at the speed of sound or the speed of light; your chose.
And your response would indicate that everytime Gladiator gets hurt/KO'ed, he actually wants that to happen.
Again, gladiator is a brawler and he dont mind getting dirty. I just think that was something that he did because he had to do it, hell vulcan almost killed the entire shiar empire.
Ya well, that's not true either, so why bring it up? Or else he wouldn't have had his arm broken recently, and would have punched Galactus straight off the planet. He's a highly powerful being, but let's try to assert statements to make him look invincible.
How did galactus get into this. Champion had unlimited strength when he possessed the power gem. Do you think that he can punch galactus off of a planet. I never said that he was the most powerful being in the universe, the only thing that I put up was on panel proof saying that he's one of the strongest beings in the universe and the narrator saying that he is a god. Dont argue with me, fuss with marvel.
Originally posted by EnyalusI think he was in 616, but if he wasn't, then I don't care.
Red, the scan with Hyperion being the 'strongest in the known universe' thing...The Supreme Power universe is in a non 616 universe, right?
Originally posted by The Great GalenThe problem is that there's no on-panel feats to compare the two... but there is comparable feats from Gladiator that have him doing the same thing as Supes.
Well I know it isnt standard practice here to go by on-panel feats but if we break the mold and do it....well maybe u would have some actual insight for once 🙂
So really, I have no idea what you're talking about.
Originally posted by carver9
Since you're comparing superman to glads, I want you to show me superman blitzing someone at near light, hell, at the speed of sound.
Supes has performed tons of complex actions at ridiculous speeds as an average thing. From flying, to running, rebuilding cities in seconds, changing outfits, sealing space ruptures, etc. However, here's what you asked for:
Not only is he fighting faster than sound, (creating sonic booms as a result) he's also fighting in H2H martial arts. 🙂
Originally posted by fangirl101
he's a far better fighter than Superman. And easily as durable.
Glads knows MA and pressure point techniques? Supes highly outclasses Kallark in straight up fighting.
