There is probably no God. So stop worrying and enjoy your life.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
By what amount?

an unknown amount.

pretend there are Z number of potential ways the universe could have began. Let X represent the number of ways the universe could have been created by God. X/Z then represents the probability that the universe would have been created by God.

Y is a subset of X, which represents the number of times God created the universe only while wearing a hat. Y/X represents the probability of God wearing a hat and Y/Z represents the probability of God creating the universe while wearing a hat.

X, by definition, has to be larger than Y, because Y is a subset of X and it is possible God was not wearing a hat when he created the universe.

X/Z - Y/Z would be the equation for how much more likely it is that God created the universe vs God created the universe with a hat. Given that X/Z has to be larger than Y/Z, it will always be more unlikely that he wore a hat (unless there is empirical evidence that shows he had to wear a hat).

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Or that God simply exists and does any number of different things that make noticing it impossible.

indeed, or any other number of permutations. My more general point being that, although God is unfalsifiable, predictions and claims made by a religion are not.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
It also works nicely when someone says "God doesn't exist" and acts as though they have proof of that rather broad claim.

not requiring proof of something's non-existence, I've never ran into that problem. But yes, I would agree that people who claim to be able to disprove the existence of God are incorrect.

I didn't read any of this thread but those buses are simply to convey the other side of the coin, to make people think. The amount of posters and huge boards over the place advertising the christian faith, the amount of people in the high street trying to get a few moments of your time to tell why you are wrong, so why exactly can we not have people saying there is no God? If I seen a bus with that on the side It would make my day and if it offends some religous people then obviously the faith in there belief is so weak that we don't have to worry.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Wait, you WERE making a joke about priests molesting and raping little boys, right?

That is always part of priest jokes...

Originally posted by dadudemon
edit-

Wait, holy damn....... 😐

You could also be saying that I'm an internet nerd who is most likely a virgin. I'm married.

The kids go to bed by 8:30 pm. I'm up until 1 or 2 every night. Do the math. flirt

Umm that thought didn't come to my mind- I was thinking that you can't actually have sex when you want any more than a priest. You cannot order your wife to have sex with you- if she says no thats it. (Unless you choose to rape her, but a Priest could do that) Your other options would be to A) go to a club and try and pick up a girl, which is no guarantee you would get sex but a Priest can do that too...or B) go to a prostitute, which a priest could also do.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
It answered it at length, and in no uncertain terms. You're just being difficult about it.

😉

I asked when and you gave me a political sidestep...

(I am not actually trying to convert you or anything btw, just having fun)

Originally posted by Magee
I didn't read any of this thread but those buses are simply to convey the other side of the coin, to make people think. The amount of posters and huge boards over the place advertising the christian faith, the amount of people in the high street trying to get a few moments of your time to tell why you are wrong, so why exactly can we not have people saying there is no God? If I seen a bus with that on the side It would make my day and if it offends some religous people then obviously the faith in there belief is so weak that we don't have to worry.

As I walked through the campus today I saw a man with a big sign saying "God says sex must be with 1 Man 1 Wife 1 Marriage ALL ELSE IS SIN! Repent JESUS is LORD"

Amusing.

Originally posted by Magee
I didn't read any of this thread but those buses are simply to convey the other side of the coin, to make people think. The amount of posters and huge boards over the place advertising the christian faith, the amount of people in the high street trying to get a few moments of your time to tell why you are wrong, so why exactly can we not have people saying there is no God? If I seen a bus with that on the side It would make my day and if it offends some religous people then obviously the faith in there belief is so weak that we don't have to worry.

Im religous and I totally agree with you.

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
As I walked through the campus today I saw a man with a big sign saying "God says sex must be with 1 Man 1 Wife 1 Marriage ALL ELSE IS SIN! Repent JESUS is LORD"

Amusing.

So, a nut caring a sign and a sign on a bus are equivalent?

😱

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So, a nut caring a sign and a sign on a bus are equivalent?

😱

Just illustrating his point with an example...oh and actually yeah they are equivalent...

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Just illustrating his point with an example...oh and actually yeah they are equivalent...

No, a bus sign has to be approved by a group of nuts.

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
I asked when and you gave me a political sidestep...

(I am not actually trying to convert you or anything btw, just having fun)

Clearly that isn't the actual goal. It's hard to argue against truth anyway.

😊

And the implication was "never." I wasn't actively trying to dodge the question. Though yes, I suppose I didn't actually answer it.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No, a bus sign has to be approved by a group of nuts.

So does do signs which are carried around Public Property.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Clearly that isn't the actual goal. It's hard to argue against truth anyway.

😊

And the implication was "never." I wasn't actively trying to dodge the question. Though yes, I suppose I didn't actually answer it.

Haha! yaay a small victory!

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
So does do signs which are carried around Public Property...

Did you miss my point? 🙁

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Did you miss my point? 🙁

I saw it, and thought I'd remind you that local councils are also filled with nuts 😱

Originally posted by inimalist
an unknown amount.

pretend there are Z number of potential ways the universe could have began. Let X represent the number of ways the universe could have been created by God. X/Z then represents the probability that the universe would have been created by God.

Y is a subset of X, which represents the number of times God created the universe only while wearing a hat. Y/X represents the probability of God wearing a hat and Y/Z represents the probability of God creating the universe while wearing a hat.

X, by definition, has to be larger than Y, because Y is a subset of X and it is possible God was not wearing a hat when he created the universe.

X/Z - Y/Z would be the equation for how much more likely it is that God created the universe vs God created the universe with a hat. Given that X/Z has to be larger than Y/Z, it will always be more unlikely that he wore a hat (unless there is empirical evidence that shows he had to wear a hat).

indeed, or any other number of permutations. My more general point being that, although God is unfalsifiable, predictions and claims made by a religion are not.

not requiring proof of something's non-existence, I've never ran into that problem. But yes, I would agree that people who claim to be able to disprove the existence of God are incorrect.

they really arent incorrect if they can point out INTERNAL inconsistancies in the concept of god {internal contradictions which destroy the attributes of the being from inside out}. there may be a god, but there is positively NO god with all the claimed attributes of the omnipotent christian/muslim/judaic god at the same time.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
they really arent incorrect if they can point out INTERNAL inconsistancies in the concept of god {internal contradictions which destroy the attributes of the being from inside out}.

if humans had access to a system of logic which was universally accurate, one might be able to say what qualities a god might or might not have.

To say two qualities are inconsistent would require humans to know the absolute consistency between those items being contrasted.

Humans do not know the true nature of omnipotence, nor what could or could not exist alongside omnipotence without being internally inconsistent.

The best you can say is that, in the system of logic you use to evaluate things, there are contradictions between concepts relating to God. This does not mean that, had you access to all the information in the universe, they will always be contradictions, just that they are contradictory in your opinion.

for you to be correct, you would require absolute knowledge of what comprises a God.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
there may be a god, but there is positively NO god with all the claimed attributes of the omnipotent christian/muslim/judaic god at the same time.

this was my argument, except, omnipotence is a non-testable quality.

God being omnipotent does not make any predictions that can be tested empirically, so it is moot.

Originally posted by inimalist
an unknown amount.

pretend there are Z number of potential ways the universe could have began. Let X represent the number of ways the universe could have been created by God. X/Z then represents the probability that the universe would have been created by God.

Y is a subset of X, which represents the number of times God created the universe only while wearing a hat. Y/X represents the probability of God wearing a hat and Y/Z represents the probability of God creating the universe while wearing a hat.

X, by definition, has to be larger than Y, because Y is a subset of X and it is possible God was not wearing a hat when he created the universe.

X/Z - Y/Z would be the equation for how much more likely it is that God created the universe vs God created the universe with a hat. Given that X/Z has to be larger than Y/Z, it will always be more unlikely that he wore a hat (unless there is empirical evidence that shows he had to wear a hat).

indeed, or any other number of permutations. My more general point being that, although God is unfalsifiable, predictions and claims made by a religion are not.

not requiring proof of something's non-existence, I've never ran into that problem. But yes, I would agree that people who claim to be able to disprove the existence of God are incorrect.

Take you logic and well reasoned mathematical proofs elsewhere 😠

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Take you logic and well reasoned mathematical proofs elsewhere 😠

...just like facts have no place in organized Religion?

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
That is always part of priest jokes...

Cool.

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Umm that thought didn't come to my mind- I was thinking that you can't actually have sex when you want any more than a priest. You cannot order your wife to have sex with you- if she says no thats it. (Unless you choose to rape her, but a Priest could do that) Your other options would be to A) go to a club and try and pick up a girl, which is no guarantee you would get sex but a Priest can do that too...or B) go to a prostitute, which a priest could also do.

I disagree. I'm quite sure that I make the nasty when I want to, ridiculously more often than a Catholic priest gets to when he wants to. And I'm quite fine with only sleeping with my wife.

Also, those buses are just as offensive to theists as those road signs guilting people to go to a certain church so the Pastor, Preacher, or what have you, can make some money. It seems like I see far more Christian signs that attempt to guilt me into going to their church than a do see atheist signs trying to relieve my guilt. lol

Although those signs represent a pretty similar outlook to my own, it still seems futile to try and change peoples minds by advertising that view. People are hardly going to change their spiritual beliefs because of something they read on a bus.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Whichever one you like.

Should I go Baptist? If so, then one must be baptised as an adult to get to Heaven. Where does that leave everyone else?

Oh, maybe I should join the Pentecostal group. But hmm, I need to speak in tongues to prove that I have the holy spirit to get into Heaven.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
But the others will say that you are wrong and should join their "true" belief.

Should I go Baptist? If so, then one must be baptised as an [B]adult to get to Heaven. Where does that leave everyone else?

Oh, maybe I should join the Pentecostal group. But hmm, I need to speak in tongues to prove that I have the holy spirit to get into Heaven. [/B]

The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. Besides, why limit yourself to Christian sects? Think of the potential benefits of Hinduism or Judaism or Wicca or Atheis-- scratch that one. You get the picture.