The Primal Monitor Vs The Living Tribunal

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It seems that the PM is surrounded by 4th Wall conceptual garbage.

So the LT has no choice but to summon classic She-Hulk:

She Hulk, she jumps in out of the pages which are the PM,
she can effortlessly tear away any creation on the PM,
she controls the stories that appear on the PM,
and commands how she'll be displayed on the PM.

...bah, She-Hulk stomps the guys who put the "pages" into motion!

The "Pages" which are the PM.

(Executive Editor, Defalco, and Editor/writer and legend, Gruenwald)

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Then again, almighty She-Hulk can just kill TOAA as well:

(John Byrne no less)

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The LT brings his cosmic counselor into the picture, and it's on. 😂

I'm foolin yall, because the PM should not be in debates if this is the concept of his character.

Originally posted by Mr Master
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It seems that the PM is surrounded by 4th Wall conceptual garbage.

So the LT has no choice but to summon classic She-Hulk:

She Hulk, she jumps in out of the pages which are the PM,
she can effortlessly tear away any creation on the PM,
she controls the stories that appear on the PM,
and commands how she'll be displayed on the PM.

...bah, [b]She-Hulk stomps the guys who put the "pages" into motion!

The "Pages" which are the PM.

(Executive Editor, Defalco, and Editor/writer and legend, Gruenwald)

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Then again, almighty She-Hulk can just kill TOAA as well:

(John Byrne no less)

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The LT brings his cosmic counselor into the picture, and it's on. 😂

I'm foolin yall, because the PM should not be in debates if this is the concept of his character. [/B]

😂 👆 Those scans are just darn funny.

😆 💃 😮‍💨 🤣

Originally posted by Mr Master
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It seems that the PM is surrounded by 4th Wall conceptual garbage.

So the LT has no choice but to summon classic She-Hulk:

She Hulk, she jumps in out of the pages which are the PM,
she can effortlessly tear away any creation on the PM,
she controls the stories that appear on the PM,
and commands how she'll be displayed on the PM.

...bah, [b]She-Hulk stomps the guys who put the "pages" into motion!

The "Pages" which are the PM.

(Executive Editor, Defalco, and Editor/writer and legend, Gruenwald)

--------------------------------------------------------------

Then again, almighty She-Hulk can just kill TOAA as well:

(John Byrne no less)

--------------------------------------------------------------

The LT brings his cosmic counselor into the picture, and it's on. 😂

I'm foolin yall, because the PM should not be in debates if this is the concept of his character. [/B]

Originally posted by Jynocidus
someone who voted pro-me says LT could summon she-hulk ftw

so if he's not content --meaning not having been swallowed by anything-- just chilling on the paper, he could call she-hulk

PM hates DC, nobody is coming to assist it here, it can't even do that as an option anyway.

LT stomps

LT is being swallowed by paper, he's drawn on it. The paper conformed to its appearance, and PM can't do anything to get it out

isn't being*

Originally posted by abhilegend
Mxy comes and beat everyone else.

And with a snap.

abhil and prep-man don't count still

and I take igniz as the 3rd person out of 5 with an unbiased opinion to agree

nobody spoke up when i put it in the hands of the people against the LT, you had your chance

so there you have it folks, the shows over

LT wins

Originally posted by Jynocidus
abhil and prep-man don't count still

and I take igniz as the 3rd person out of 5 with an unbiased opinion to agree

nobody spoke up when i put it in the hands of the people against the LT, you had your chance

so there you have it folks, the shows over

LT wins

Originally posted by abhilegend

Mxy comes and beat everyone else.

Imo, She-Hulk is the baddest 4th wall junky ever.

That Byrne run lasted 50 issues, and from beginning to end,
She-Hulk was supreme in that saga, even conducting her own tribulations,
to make the comics interesting.

The girl would read the Marvel Universe handbooks to get the better of her opponents. 😂

Originally posted by abhilegend

LT gets beat by reed richards again.

Reed has never confronted the LT or even seen the LT,
and Reed has never attacked the LT directly.

MC2 Reed has been blown out of proportion.

The Cosmics bfr'd themselves due to Reed's interference,
but they never saw/knew Reed shot his canon
into their collective concentration of power being merged to kill MC2 Galactus.

That's all that happened.

The whole thing is ridiculous PIS.

The LT needs to merge his power with the hierarchy to erase one alternate Galactus? 😂

The LT and cosmics taken by surprise by ... Reed? 😆

(well Reed is Reed, so whatever, but the Galactus bit is stupid)

Originally posted by Mr Master
There's nothing Mxy can do, that She Hulk can't do.

Imo, She-Hulk is the baddest 4th wall junky ever.

That Byrne run lasted 50 issues, and from beginning to end,
She-Hulk was supreme in that saga, even conducting her own tribulations,
to make the comics interesting.

The girl would read the Marvel Universe handbooks to get the better of her opponents. 😂

Originally posted by Mr Master
Reed never beat the LT.

Reed has never confronted the LT or even seen the LT,
and Reed has never attacked the LT directly.

MC2 Reed has been blown out of proportion.

The Cosmics bfr'd themselves due to Reed's interference,
but they never saw/knew Reed shot his canon
into their collective concentration of power being merged to kill MC2 Galactus.

That's all that happened.

The whole thing is ridiculous PIS.

The LT needs to merge his power with the hierarchy to erase one alternate Galactus? 😂

The LT and cosmics taken by surprise by ... Reed? 😆

(well Reed is Reed, so whatever, but the Galactus bit is stupid)

Mxy is not more powerful than LT though, and is in no way omnipotent. Don't give me that levels of omnipotent lack of comprehension BS, Mxy is not more significant and at least --needs-- to act in some way in order to perform said feat. Like...he --needs-- to decide that's what he wants to do. Mxy isn't TOAA powerful. If anything, it temporarily obliterated "everything"...and oblivion is a subordinate to the LT.

plus like I said, PM hates DC. Nobody from there is coming to save him. Can PM even summon others that aren't directly associated with being a Monitor? No?

I mean, if the DC existence is a germ, this should be humiliating for the paraplegic PM paper, calling a germ to try and do battle for it.

LT reigns supreme

Originally posted by Jynocidus
Mxy is not more powerful than LT though, and is in no way omnipotent. Don't give me that levels of omnipotent lack of comprehension BS, Mxy is not more significant and at least --needs-- to act in some way in order to perform said feat. Like...he --needs-- to decide that's what he wants to do. Mxy isn't TOAA powerful. If anything, it temporarily obliterated "everything"...and oblivion is a subordinate to the LT.

plus like I said, PM hates DC. Nobody from there is coming to save him. Can PM even summon others that aren't directly associated with being a Monitor? No?

I mean, if the DC existence is a germ, this should be humiliating for the paraplegic PM paper, calling a germ to try and do battle for it.

LT reigns supreme

LT doesn't have to intervene with what material beings do. Surfer and Richards included. Your typical creation can't even bring him out unless they disturb the balance in some way, PM can't even wipe its own ass.

You keep bringing up Reed, as if Reed is going to get summoned by PM.

If anything, LT summons Reed to the PM and it gets more upset that here are now 2 marvel beings on its "perfection".

back to Mxy, him temporarily obliterating everything is a plausible conclusion. For him to simply destroy it, where did all of that excess space go? It had to be displaced somewhere. So pretty much, it was obliterated, more or less made part with Oblivion. Mxy isn't anywhere near out of LT's scope of capability.

so you went from Presence, to PM, and are now resorting to characters not even from the same respective company in pure desperation for your win. you people already masterminded PM being a cosmic sheet of paper which was silly enough. save yourself the trouble and just give up, LT stomps

Originally posted by abhilegend

Mxy retcons it away. She was a 4th wall breaker like deadpool for comic relief and doesn't do that anymore. Mxy's powers are 4th wall based.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Yet, its canon. Reed chumped LT.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Interesting, when She-Hulk's 4th wall antics are recognized in her bios.

Do you think that She-Hulk being selected by the Magistrati could have something to do with her 4th wall breaking abilities?
Plus , in She-Hulk v2 # 38 or 39(I can't clearly remember) , there seems to be an implication that Mallory Book can also apparently break 4th wall(although it wasn't until the last panel "Get it ? Book's Cancelled!"😉 that this was indicated .

Originally posted by Jynocidus
LT doesn't have to intervene with what material beings do. Surfer and Richards included. Your typical creation can't even bring him out unless they disturb the balance in some way, PM can't even wipe its own ass.

You keep bringing up Reed, as if Reed is going to get summoned by PM.

If anything, LT summons Reed to the PM and it gets more upset that here are now 2 marvel beings on its "perfection".

back to Mxy, him temporarily obliterating everything is a plausible conclusion. For him to simply destroy it, where did all of that excess space go? It had to be displaced somewhere. So pretty much, it was obliterated, more or less made part with Oblivion. Mxy isn't anywhere near out of LT's scope of capability.

so you went from Presence, to PM, and are now resorting to characters not even from the same respective company in pure desperation for your win. you people already masterminded PM being a cosmic sheet of paper which was silly enough. save yourself the trouble and just give up, LT stomps

Originally posted by abhilegend
LT needs to beat reed first. On another instance he needed silver surfer to beat ruin with IG.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Interesting, when She-Hulk's 4th wall antics are recognized in her bios.

Please show me where on panel Reed ever in his life did anything to the LT directly.

He used LT's power against him and BFRed him for at least hours. That's a win on forums.

"incapable to acknowledge that DC and Marvel are 2 different omniverse(s)"

you are so hard pressed to try and make yourself not have to start using continuity because i made you recognize. have it your way though

oblivion doesn't exist in DC, yet people get obliterated. DC got obliterated then, on panel, and existed inside of Mxy. So if anything, if you want to get technical, at that very moment Mxy was the abstract Oblivion for DC. For him to be able to erase "everything" it was displaced somewhere. If not in Marvels Oblivion (for this vs thread), then inside of himself.

also, Mxy couldn't have destroyed the PM by your own logic...the panel that we see Mxy saying that crap on IS the PM...right?!?!?!?!!??!

there's more being abstract than what your little fanboy brain can handle, and LT is the best at doing it. the sooner you realize it, the better

IMO, LT never gets beat. He's never been directly in the presence of anyone. Everytime you see LT, it's an M-Body. That's my opinion, i wouldn't be surprised if Marvel eventually placed this as definite truth.

regardless, LT Stomps. We can't even trust what abhil says so I'm gonna stoop to his level and tell you all to place him on ignore. He said Presence was supreme, but now has to resort to using Mxy all because he can't comprehend omnipotence. You have the internet for crying out loud, go look it up

Originally posted by Jynocidus
"incapable to acknowledge that DC and Marvel are 2 different omniverse(s)"

you are so hard pressed to try and make yourself not have to start using continuity because i made you recognize. have it your way though

oblivion doesn't exist in DC, yet people get obliterated. DC got obliterated then, on panel, and existed inside of Mxy. So if anything, if you want to get technical, at that very moment Mxy was the abstract Oblivion for DC. For him to be able to erase "everything" it was displaced somewhere. If not in Marvels Oblivion (for this vs thread), then inside of himself.

also, Mxy couldn't have destroyed the PM by your own logic...the panel that we see Mxy saying that crap on IS the PM...right?!?!?!?!!??!

there's more being abstract than what your little fanboy brain can handle, and LT is the best at doing it. the sooner you realize it, the better

IMO, LT never gets beat. He's never been directly in the presence of anyone. Everytime you see LT, it's an M-Body. That's my opinion, i wouldn't be surprised if Marvel eventually placed this as definite truth.

regardless, LT Stomps. We can't even trust what abhil says so I'm gonna stoop to his level and tell you all to place him on ignore. He said Presence was supreme, but now has to resort to using Mxy all because he can't comprehend omnipotence. You have the internet for crying out loud, go look it up

just because these are 2 different omniverse(s), which is of course by your logic, does not mean they are necessarily identical or interchangeable

look at the cross overs, they put Storm against Wonder Woman trying to do that. They put friggen Wolverine vs Lobo. spider-man vs superboy...

you're trying to do the same thing, when the characters are different. Spectre is weaker than LT, Presence is around Fulcrums level -- it's no where near omnipotent, Imperiex is like Entropy not Galactus, etc.

and then when you try to make those assumptions, by default DC is always more powerful and if I don't go by your way then i'm a troll. DC says Presence is all powerful which is a lie, because Presence is not PM or GEB. So in a neutral grounds environment you want me to believe Presence is Supreme against LT, hell you want me to believe anyone from DC is Supreme against LT. You completely disregard the abstract nature of their powers, when it clearly says LT is the embodiment of NECESSITY.

Necessity > PM, Presence, Mxy, whoever isn't TOAA. If they're not TOAA, but they're in a comic and you're reading about them, (barring if they have plot devices like HOTI or creation blades) they are necessary to be there doing whatever it is they are doing. From as simple as reading a book to snuffing out entire continuities on panel.

me saying Oblivion exists in DC is only in an abstract sense. When mxy destroyed everything, it obliterated everything. everything was existent inside of mxy, for him to be able to put it right back -- try and deny that. it was in his memory at least. supergirl re-appearing is because DC lacks a proper cosmic hierarchy, and is a perfect example of such. When even stuff is off balance in DC, dead characters return to life.

the very panel he said it on, was the PM, so Mxy lied to all the readers apparently. If the presence was gone, that proves my point even further that Presence is way weaker than a lot of you think because it exists within what was able to be temporarily obliterated by Mxy. so i'm willing to bet that in certain situations, even the abstracts would beat Presence. where that is debatable, LT is absolute and nobody beats LT

imo all LT's appearances are m-bodies, and at least in this thread PM will never rid itself of the m-body drawn on it because it's a paraplegic sheet of paper

you bringing up Reed or Thanos with their plot guns doesn't mean anything right here and right now, PM can't draw its own plot devices to replicate those fts so LT stomps

stop bumping this thread unless you have something relevant to add, don't fuel it because you hate the outcome