The Primal Monitor Vs The Living Tribunal

LT does not represent the Omniverse. He has no jurisdiction. He can't even affect Malibu verse.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Because the LT represents an omniverse. He's held whole megaverses (several multiverses) in the palms of his hands.

You get the picture.

Originally posted by Jynocidus
just because these are 2 different omniverse(s), which is of course by your logic, does not mean they are necessarily identical or interchangeable

look at the cross overs, they put Storm against Wonder Woman trying to do that. They put friggen Wolverine vs Lobo. spider-man vs superboy...

you're trying to do the same thing, when the characters are different. Spectre is weaker than LT, Presence is around Fulcrums level -- it's no where near omnipotent, Imperiex is like Entropy not Galactus, etc.

and then when you try to make those assumptions, by default DC is always more powerful and if I don't go by your way then i'm a troll. DC says Presence is all powerful which is a lie, because Presence is not PM or GEB. So in a neutral grounds environment you want me to believe Presence is Supreme against LT, hell you want me to believe anyone from DC is Supreme against LT. You completely disregard the abstract nature of their powers, when it clearly says LT is the embodiment of NECESSITY.

Necessity > PM, Presence, Mxy, whoever isn't TOAA. If they're not TOAA, but they're in a comic and you're reading about them, (barring if they have plot devices like HOTI or creation blades) they are necessary to be there doing whatever it is they are doing. From as simple as reading a book to snuffing out entire continuities on panel.

me saying Oblivion exists in DC is only in an abstract sense. When mxy destroyed everything, it obliterated everything. everything was existent inside of mxy, for him to be able to put it right back -- try and deny that. it was in his memory at least. supergirl re-appearing is because DC lacks a proper cosmic hierarchy, and is a perfect example of such. When even stuff is off balance in DC, dead characters return to life.

the very panel he said it on, was the PM, so Mxy lied to all the readers apparently. If the presence was gone, that proves my point even further that Presence is way weaker than a lot of you think because it exists within what was able to be temporarily obliterated by Mxy. so i'm willing to bet that in certain situations, even the abstracts would beat Presence. where that is debatable, LT is absolute and nobody beats LT

imo all LT's appearances are m-bodies, and at least in this thread PM will never rid itself of the m-body drawn on it because it's a paraplegic sheet of paper

you bringing up Reed or Thanos with their plot guns doesn't mean anything right here and right now, PM can't draw its own plot devices to replicate those fts so LT stomps

stop bumping this thread unless you have something relevant to add, don't fuel it because you hate the outcome

Originally posted by lilshogun
LT does not represent the Omniverse. He has no jurisdiction. He can't even affect Malibu verse.

LT does not represent the omniverse, but I will argue he is the judge of anything that is not TOAA. If you're not TOAA, you can't bother the LT.

On the contrary to what was quoted, in a VS thread LT could effect someone from Malibu. It's the same thing for this thread, at some point they have to cross so arguments like this shouldn't be able to hold up.

what happens is that it backfires on the misinformed who try to say that Presence is said to be omnipotent because that's the conclusion they come to after reading that garbage and not seeing it for what it really is. Just because Presence is portrayed as Christ pretty much doesn't put him over the abstract concept of Necessity itself.

Christ, or Presence....has an equal. The Anti-Christ, or GEB. If you're omnipotent, you have no equals. That says that Presence and GEB must ultimately comply with Chaos and Order, or they get retconned. simple as that, at least that's how it would most likely be in Marvel. They retconned PR Beyonder to fit inside of continuity and fixed that jazz about him being an enemy to it.

and here we have the paraplegic PM that can't do anything about its LT branding.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yet this NECESSITY bullshit didn't stop reed from beating that ass. PM and presence are supreme and mxy has better feats while LT is neither supreme nor has some feats. He gets squashed like a bug here and you're a troll. Your opinions means shit, bring proof or GTFO.

Reed beat an M-Body, my necessity bullshit supports that. if it's too far over your head, so be it. i've stated numerous times, go browse through this and other threads.

i could use your Mxy scan as proof, because he's on Panel....meaning he's within the PM...after having destroyed..--everything-- right? you can save me the trouble and try to post the scan yourself, i'll just reply to it lol

"PM and Presence are Supreme?" no they're not for the last time, there can be only one supreme being. this childish desperation argument is getting on my nerves. There is "supreme" level that dictates LT. What is necessary to be supreme?

Is that your answer to my question "who is supreme, presence or PM?" because if it is, you seriously lack comprehension and for like 20 pages now repeatedly make yourself look like an idiot.

Originally posted by Jynocidus
Reed beat an M-Body, my necessity bullshit supports that. if it's too far over your head, so be it. i've stated numerous times, go browse through this and other threads.

i could use your Mxy scan as proof, because he's on Panel....meaning he's within the PM...after having destroyed..--everything-- right? you can save me the trouble and try to post the scan yourself, i'll just reply to it lol

"PM and Presence are Supreme?" no they're not for the last time, there can be only one supreme being. this childish desperation argument is getting on my nerves. There is "supreme" level that dictates LT. What is necessary to be supreme?

Is that your answer to my question "who is supreme, presence or PM?" because if it is, you seriously lack comprehension and for like 20 pages now repeatedly make yourself look like an idiot.

Yeah, mxy destroyed everything in omniverse which is like a germ to him.

Yet, comics tells us that they both are supreme. You don't like it, go cry your eyes out. Who cares? Again with your necessity bullshit? Troll harder.

Coming from the guy who thinks that LT controls real world, its phucking laughable.

Originally posted by abhilegend

So are deadpool's 4th wall antics in his bios. Does it makes any difference.

By that same token, it doesn't make Mxy any more special.

What She-Hulk was doing regularly across 50 titles is amazing.

Originally posted by abhilegend

He used LT's power against him and BFRed him for at least hours.

That's a win on forums.

That crap was nonsense as the LT and Cosmics
didn't see or even notice, or sense a blast coming from miles away.

Comics portray them both being supreme TO YOU -- a misinformed fanboy that believes everything they see

you're not supreme if something is above you

don't act like me posting proof means anything, I don't have a scanner. And I'm not going to pirate comic books for your leisure. You're mad LT is so absolute, I don't have to post a single scan. I can beat it into your head with logic

regardless, this all comes down to this:

Presence, PM, Mxy, nobody else is TOAA.

So when anybody else wants to do anything to the LT, I will ask this...

what is necessary for them to do it?

and whatever answer you give me, is literally going to end up being the embodiment of LT. He IS necessity.

it seems like trolling, but it's the truth. like I said, this topic is delicate, so delicate that it obviously scrambles your fanboy thoughts and you get upset. You can cry all you want to, doesn't change the fact that unless you're TOAA or have something directly from TOAA, you ain't shit to the LT

a piece of paper is no longer a plain piece of paper if it has been stained with ink. So when TOAA draws LT on PM, wtf is PM going to do?

This, is what being abstract is all about. Go define abstract, then define necessity, equity, and vengeance.

You have to argue in abstract ways in order to properly portray an abstract being.

you fail to realize that LT is above Presence. And you refuse to accept LT being significant compared to PM, but you need to accept that LT likely dwarfs PM in power, size, anything relevant to whatever is floating around in your fanboy brain. I'm not telling you a lie, Necessity > anybody who isn't TOAA and lacks a plot device capable of TOAA's power.

LT stomps for the last time, because all abhil will do is reply with something like

"but PM and Presence are Supreme"

all over again.

Originally posted by Jynocidus
Comics portray them both being supreme TO YOU -- a misinformed fanboy that believes everything they see

you're not supreme if something is above you

don't act like me posting proof means anything, I don't have a scanner. And I'm not going to pirate comic books for your leisure. You're mad LT is so absolute, I don't have to post a single scan. I can beat it into your head with logic

regardless, this all comes down to this:

Presence, PM, Mxy, nobody else is TOAA.

So when anybody else wants to do anything to the LT, I will ask this...

what is necessary for them to do it?

and whatever answer you give me, is literally going to end up being the embodiment of LT. He IS necessity.

it seems like trolling, but it's the truth. like I said, this topic is delicate, so delicate that it obviously scrambles your fanboy thoughts and you get upset. You can cry all you want to, doesn't change the fact that unless you're TOAA or have something directly from TOAA, you ain't shit to the LT

a piece of paper is no longer a plain piece of paper if it has been stained with ink. So when TOAA draws LT on PM, wtf is PM going to do?

This, is what being abstract is all about. Go define abstract, then define necessity, equity, and vengeance.

You have to argue in abstract ways in order to properly portray an abstract being.

you fail to realize that LT is above Presence. And you refuse to accept LT being significant compared to PM, but you need to accept that LT likely dwarfs PM in power, size, anything relevant to whatever is floating around in your fanboy brain. I'm not telling you a lie, Necessity > anybody who isn't TOAA and lacks a plot device capable of TOAA's power.

LT stomps for the last time, because all abhil will do is reply with something like

"but PM and Presence are Supreme"

all over again.

Originally posted by Mr Master
No difference, Deadpool is just as viable as any other 4th wall breaker.

By that same token, it doesn't make Mxy any more special.

What She-Hulk was doing regularly across 50 titles is amazing.

Yea, if he would've confronted Reed, and then Reed somhow bfr'd the LT, I would say yes, you're right.
But since the LT and Reed never even saw each other,
and since Reed never attacked the LT directly,
he didn't win anything, cause there was no conflict to win.

That crap was nonsense as the LT and Cosmics
didn't see or even notice, or sense a blast coming from miles away.

He still BFRed him and that's a win. Much like flash losing a fight with rogues, huh?

you love twisting words

the only thing that you can accept from me, is LT stomps all of DC

you think that I concede because i refuse to download a comic. Even if I did have the comics to scan, i don't have a scanner. so it wouldn't matter anyway

you have nothing but being a crybaby, threatening to report me, threatening to ignore me, being a hypocrite....you're worthless. You're like the bottom of the KMC barrel for being all of those things at once. i exposed you. at least iceman gave up, you still have to look the dumbest and still say omniverse(s)

won't you post some scans so i can pick them all apart. you might have downloaded every comic, and can post any amount of scans. If you don't understand wtf you're looking at, you fail

LT stomps

let me go download some comics to make abhil feel better...

when i get locked up for pirating, it'll be worth it for showing fanboys the truth

lol, i bet you don't even own the real comics you're trying to complain about anyway.

stinkin pirate fanboys

Originally posted by Jynocidus
you love twisting words

the only thing that you can accept from me, is LT stomps all of DC

you think that I concede because i refuse to download a comic. Even if I did have the comics to scan, i don't have a scanner. so it wouldn't matter anyway

you have nothing but being a crybaby, threatening to report me, threatening to ignore me, being a hypocrite....you're worthless. You're like the bottom of the KMC barrel for being all of those things at once. i exposed you. at least iceman gave up, you still have to look the dumbest and still say omniverse(s)

won't you post some scans so i can pick them all apart. you might have downloaded every comic, and can post any amount of scans. If you don't understand wtf you're looking at, you fail

LT stomps

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, you are just trolling now. Reported.

and then he's proud about reporting

"I Told The Teacher That He Is Telling The Truth~! "

lol

if this gets closed because dc fanboys can't come up with a logical excuse for how a paraplegic piece of paper is going to defeat the LT, then I'll know it's ran by a secret illuminati collective of dc fanboys

so far, nobody "with power" has decided to argue against me, so why would you go telling them like it'll help your case?

you just want a DC fanboys ruling, that's all....

so be it. I've done enough, and 3 unbiased people agree with me.

I've beat you, and you're trying to now go cheaper than a "literal sheet of paper" argument to the mods directly themselves.

this is sad.

Originally posted by Jynocidus
and then he's proud about reporting

"I Told The Teacher That He Is Telling The Truth~! "

lol

if this gets closed because dc fanboys can't come up with a logical excuse for how a paraplegic piece of paper is going to defeat the LT, then I'll know it's ran by a secret illuminati collective of dc fanboys

so far, nobody "with power" has decided to argue against me, so why would you go telling them like it'll help your case?

you just want a DC fanboys ruling, that's all....

so be it. I've done enough, and 3 unbiased people agree with me.

I've beat you, and you're trying to now go cheaper than a "literal sheet of paper" argument to the mods directly themselves.

this is sad.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Being completely serious.

I think what you're trying to argue is so beyond retarded that you'd have better luck fingering your ass and preparing a nice turkey dinner with all the fixins.

But on a personal note, I like your spunk, sillyness, and delusional attitude.

It balances out to me being pro you. 👆

Originally posted by abhilegend
More trolling. Good, keep it up.

i will

so you can do the only thing you know how to do

click the report button

since you can't debate your way to victory, come get the thread closed.

good job

Originally posted by Jynocidus

you fail to realize that LT is above Presence. And you refuse to accept LT being significant compared to PM, but you need to accept that LT likely dwarfs PM in power, size, anything relevant to whatever is floating around in your fanboy brain.

Originally posted by Jynocidus
i will

so you can do the only thing you know how to do

click the report button

since you can't debate your way to victory, come get the thread closed.

good job

Originally posted by abhilegend
Debates are done with sane people, not someone like you. Look at me and mr. Master. He is one of the best and most knowledgable guys on marvel cosmics. We give feats, facts and scans to debate, not "LT stomps, youz a DC fanboyzz" chant and spam a thread untill everybody gets tired. You are another troll who has read nothing and is thinking marvel=coolz, DC=shit, so everything marvel wins over everything DC and has the guts to say anyone else is a fanboy. In short, you are a waste of space.

Mr Master agrees with me. Back when I left it in the hands of the people, I said best 3/5. Mr Master, J-Bieb, and Igniz were the only ones who spoke up. You had your chances

I don't have a scanner to post scans, wtf am I supposed to do? Google "page xx of comic xx" just so you have something to look at? i'm not required to do that, just to win a debate

I only spoke of references involving the LT, and was was possible due to him being the embodiment of the concepts that he is.

You act like I've NEVER read a comic book in my life, which is not the case. I admit I haven't read ALL comics, I haven't been to EVERY comic convention, I NEVER had batman underwear...I don't need to have all of that, just to say a character wins in a vs match.

I used to think DC was stupidly powerful....so I did my research. "Why do people say Galactus is such and such, what is an Abstract as opposed to a God?"

I own more Marvel comics than DC comics so what? I'm not rich, I spend my money where I want to when I'm able to. But when I read about DC comics...and look at scans....nothing changes my UNBIASED perspective. So whether I owned the comic in my hand, or download it from bittorrent...my comprehension of these aspect concepts remains the same.

LT is a different type of character. These VS threads are not comics, and when debating LT some of these barriers have no choice but to get breached in order to figure out whos powers would work against who.

If any character that is not TOAA, and lacks anything relating to TOAA, has ANY power, then guess what?

There is some type of requirement or necessity behind them using it. Whether it's warping reality with a mere thought, or being able to do anything you want through sheer will power.

I'm starting to think that it's not you being able to comprehend, it's that you refuse to comprehend. You refuse to accept it as fact that Presence has an opposite -- you want to ignore the definition of supreme all together. You refuse to accept that ontop of Presence having an opposite that is at least its equal, there is another being that looks down at the both of them like their shit -- you want to ignore that and keep that at the top even though this vs thread IS NOT DC COMICS

you refuse to see that for Presence, GEB, and PM to exist in the same continuity, that it is ultimately NECESSARY -- not by LT being in DC, so don't say that like an idiot -- more like...it was necessary, set in stone by a writer which is more or less TOAA's representation.

your fanboyism makes you rage, and sling mud, because you refuse to accept all of that. my conclusion? is completely based from logic which ALL COMICS YIELD TO in one way or another. Even the wackiest stories have a distinct order they follow to even be presented.

since you refuse to accept...common sense...you should be the very first person I put on ignore because i'm tired of replying to you. keep it up, and I will. it's not a threat, it's a promise. I've done more than enough to reply to your ignorance, and your lack of comprehension is beyond me

DC comics has an atrocious cosmic hierarchy, that is ultimately different from Marvels fictional yet logical cosmic hierarchy.

And on KMC people like abhil think that DC's is the one that we all have to yield to. So we are forced to explore the roots of each company by feats and discussion. The problem is, I believe I already perceive comics in such a way. My argument is unbiased, necessity beats everybody that isn't TOAA or isn't in possession of anything from TOAA. Not TOAA just because it's in Marvel, it can be whoever is THEE omnipotent being that anyone acknowledges. Presence, PM, and Mxy do not equate to that, post a scan that says such that does not have any debatable contradictions that we should rightfully be able to discuss in these matches to sort out which is superior. That's all i'm saying, so call it trolling if you want.

You cannot tell me Necessity doesn't beat out anything you can bring.

I still don't see it.

Originally posted by Jynocidus
Mr Master agrees with me. Back when I left it in the hands of the people, I said best 3/5. Mr Master, J-Bieb, and Igniz were the only ones who spoke up. You had your chances

I don't have a scanner to post scans, wtf am I supposed to do? Google "page xx of comic xx" just so you have something to look at? i'm not required to do that, just to win a debate

I only spoke of references involving the LT, and was was possible due to him being the embodiment of the concepts that he is.

You act like I've NEVER read a comic book in my life, which is not the case. I admit I haven't read ALL comics, I haven't been to EVERY comic convention, I NEVER had batman underwear...I don't need to have all of that, just to say a character wins in a vs match.

I used to think DC was stupidly powerful....so I did my research. "Why do people say Galactus is such and such, what is an Abstract as opposed to a God?"

I own more Marvel comics than DC comics so what? I'm not rich, I spend my money where I want to when I'm able to. But when I read about DC comics...and look at scans....nothing changes my UNBIASED perspective. So whether I owned the comic in my hand, or download it from bittorrent...my comprehension of these aspect concepts remains the same.

LT is a different type of character. These VS threads are not comics, and when debating LT some of these barriers have no choice but to get breached in order to figure out whos powers would work against who.

If any character that is not TOAA, and lacks anything relating to TOAA, has ANY power, then guess what?

There is some type of requirement or necessity behind them using it. Whether it's warping reality with a mere thought, or being able to do anything you want through sheer will power.

I'm starting to think that it's not you being able to comprehend, it's that you refuse to comprehend. You refuse to accept it as fact that Presence has an opposite -- you want to ignore the definition of supreme all together. You refuse to accept that ontop of Presence having an opposite that is at least its equal, there is another being that looks down at the both of them like their shit -- you want to ignore that and keep that at the top even though this vs thread IS NOT DC COMICS

you refuse to see that for Presence, GEB, and PM to exist in the same continuity, that it is ultimately NECESSARY -- not by LT being in DC, so don't say that like an idiot -- more like...it was necessary, set in stone by a writer which is more or less TOAA's representation.

your fanboyism makes you rage, and sling mud, because you refuse to accept all of that. my conclusion? is completely based from logic which ALL COMICS YIELD TO in one way or another. Even the wackiest stories have a distinct order they follow to even be presented.

since you refuse to accept...common sense...you should be the very first person I put on ignore because i'm tired of replying to you. keep it up, and I will. it's not a threat, it's a promise. I've done more than enough to reply to your ignorance, and your lack of comprehension is beyond me