The Primal Monitor Vs The Living Tribunal

i don't see how PM is greater than LT.

so far all I've heard is "PM is Supreme" compared to LT's virtual / nigh omnipotence.

There's so many things wrong with that...

1. Like you all say, DC and Marvel are separate companies. So to say PM is Supreme, not only does that conflict with Presence being supreme within the same continuity, but it is definitely not the case at Marvel. So on KMC, DC fanboys like to exploit this. When I oppose it, I'm a troll.

2. What is --necessary-- to be supreme? Literally? Please tell me. This is not a troll question. This subject is too delicate to think in such a way. We are in a neutral vs thread, so why can't I ask this? The topic is "The PM vs The LT" so obviously these beings both exist...there's no question about this. I tried to keep it simple and compare their powers, you all took it to the PM being a cosmic paraplegic so I ran with it. It is what it is.

3. To be supreme, in THIS case, we have to think omnipotence. Because ANYTHING that the PM is associated with, literally, LT IS capable of being --AS THE EMBODIMENT OF EQUITY-- and I am allowed to say that because I've seen people argue "if it's in his powerset then why not", also because we see LT making beings far more complex and way more significant than even whatever you associate the PM to be comply with his instructions. The Cosmic Hierarchy does what he says, people in possession of IG do what he says. Death itself does what he says.

I can go on, and on.

You want scans so much? Mr Master himself posted a scan that most can't comprehend...I'd argue that one of the scans in LT's respect thread has LT standing inside of some dimensional doorways, each leading to something that could equate to whatever DC comics IS --PM and everything, whatever MXY destroyed, whatever the Presence supposedly encompasses even though you have Ellaine GEB and PM so you say they're all omnipotent and try to exploit it-- and that would make LT the judge of that place plus way more, which is most likely because whatever PM does is ultimately necessary whether you like it or not

LT stomps

Originally posted by abhilegend
Your narrow mind doesn't recognizes that LT isn't the authority in DC or any other comic. He's appointed as an avatar for necessity in marvel and since marvel has no authority over DC or this thread, that status is null and void. Here feat matters and there is a respect thread to pick scans. Since LT doesn't represent necessity in this site and is below a supreme being of his omniverse, he's also below the supreme being of another omniverse. A supreme being doesn't needs the need to exist, it just exists. TOAA has no authority here to dictate who exists or not. Your entire theory is based that since TOAA made LT and give him some fancy title, it works on everyone since marvel is the coolz. GET IT IN YOUR THICK SKULL. Your "logic" stems from ignorance, fanboyism and being slow. Go ahead, a troll putting me on ignore. 😂

this bone head still doesn't get it. first of all PM can't do anything to rid itself of LT because it's just a paraplegic. Wtf is PM gonna do, look at LT forever? it better, because it it tried anything that will give LT the necessity to defend itself.

second of all, yeah that's exactly why PM loses. he's not TOAA. LT serves TOAA, not "supreme being(s)"

third of all, again that's exactly why PM loses. it's significance ain't shit compared to Necessity, Equity, and Vengeance --all of which he embodies completely -- that's like cytorrak being the entire crimson cosmos but indefinitely worse because it exceeds any argument you can think of

last but not least, PM is not omnipotent --even in its own continuity-- for the last godamn time abhil please tell me **which one of these characters INSIDE OF DC COMICS are omnipotent? Presence? Ellaine? GEB? ** stop trying to exploit that, because they're all not omnipotent at the same ****ing time

LT stomps

if you reply with some more BS, first ima let you know and then im gonna stop replying. I'll be all ears at that point

I'm still scratching my head. Probably because you don't make sense. 😉

i don't make sense?

there are certain necessities in place for there to be supreme being(s).

all of which LT embodies.

how's that for making sense?

Still doesn't.

that, my friend, is not my fault.

i can't help you from there.

🙁 You make me very sad. And before my exam today! how dare you. 😠

Originally posted by Jynocidus
this bone head still doesn't get it. first of all PM can't do anything to rid itself of LT because it's just a paraplegic. Wtf is PM gonna do, look at LT forever? it better, because it it tried anything that will give LT the necessity to defend itself.

second of all, yeah that's exactly why PM loses. he's not TOAA. LT serves TOAA, not "supreme being(s)"

third of all, again that's exactly why PM loses. it's significance ain't shit compared to Necessity, Equity, and Vengeance --all of which he embodies completely -- that's like cytorrak being the entire crimson cosmos but indefinitely worse because it exceeds any argument you can think of

last but not least, PM is not omnipotent --even in its own continuity-- for the last godamn time abhil please tell me **which one of these characters INSIDE OF DC COMICS are omnipotent? Presence? Ellaine? GEB? ** stop trying to exploit that, because they're all not omnipotent at the same ****ing time

LT stomps

if you reply with some more BS, first ima let you know and then im gonna stop replying. I'll be all ears at that point

there are necessities for all of creation.

so anyone who doesn't have something directly from the creator themselves cannot escape necessity no matter how hard they try. So since LT would probably deny PM from access to such a plot divice, which...lets face it, PM --needs-- something that cheap here, and without it the PM is doomed.

there are necessities for PM, GEB, and Presence to all be separate entities.

There are necessities for there to be any kind of god-like, demonic, celestial/angelic, or hellish/infernal being to exist within said continuities.

There are necessities for any anomaly and /or abstract entity to perform in any way that they do seen in any scan that you post.

There are necessities for both companies to be separate.

There are necessities for writers to write the comics.

Necessity is an abstract concept. Whatever is associated with this concept, LT embodies. This remains so, in this neutral vs thread.

Abstract concepts are just that, abstract, so why wouldn't I say that LT stomps all of these people who are not the true omnipotent TOAA, the ONLY SUPREME (no plurality) BEING where these necessities first sprang when IT decided to separate ITSELF from the SINGULARITY of (whatever you associate with "God" pretty much) into the many continuities that exist inside of the ONE OMNIVERSE?

please tell me why I wouldn't?

i've told you all that i don't have a scanner, so before i decide to pirate comics just to post scans could someone please do me a favor to post things that support what I say? Otherwise, I'm about to dig through what I have to talk about it and browse the respect thread and direct you to certain pics.

i really don't know what else to say from here, but i'm surprised that anyone with scans let these fools slide on so many threads where they just completely disregard LT's capability. you see they exploit this "god" BS

they're just mad that whether God-like, Demonic, Celestial/Angelic, Hellish/Infernal, Anomaly, Constant, or Abstract

NONE of them are ABSOLUTE, you can only be that when you embody NECESSITY, EQUITY, and VENGEANCE. do the math, and ask any bizarre question that you could think of, with ANY scan, and NONE would trump those 3 barring TOAA in any neutral environment which i thought KMC was supposed to be.

so go ahead and take 20 more years to get it through your fanboy skull that LT smashes everybody you bring

Jynocidus, I don't know what your issues are but this needs to stop. It's bad enough you made several spite threads which needed closed, but now your trolling and flaming. Any more problems from you and it will be a warning.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Not 50 issues, I recall between issue 19 and 41.

I have the entire collection so I know.

She-Hulk' run actually surpasses 50 issues,
and beyond the 50th there was still silliness taking place,
but the exaggerations between 1 and 50 was incredible.

Mod edit:

You lose your post for continuing on even after I had posted.

You know, I already addressed his posting. There's no need for you to continue on. When a mod posts, that's the end.

Mod edit:

You lose your post for continuing on even after I had posted.

Enjoy your warning.

Abh, you're next.

Originally posted by Badabing
You know, I already addressed his posting. There's no need for you to continue on. When a mod posts, that's the end.

Originally posted by Badabing
Enjoy your warning.

Abh, you're next.

So anyway, They both lose because they probably wouldn't fight in the first place. Best chance at a fight you'd get is Primal Monitor sending something to investigate this random outburst of Necessity, Equity and Vengeance.

Maybe LT returns again

Originally posted by guy222
Maybe LT returns again

I know this is off-topic but , did Hope mind-control Tiamut in Uncanny X-Men # 3 during the X-Men's face-off against the Celestial host(the Mr Sinister fiasco) ? Also , did the phoenix flare in her eyes scare away the Celestials ?