Originally posted by truejedi
thats true, but only about hundred? where is that number from? i thought they were closer to a thousand?
One of the early NJO books...in fact, I think it might be Vector Prime...when Leia goes to visit those two planets at war, one of them run by Nom Anor (forgot the names). It's mentioned just after that. And mentioned at various places in books after that - I think during the Battle of Dantooine, for instance.
Originally posted by Gideon
The Vong doesn't use technology at all, but organics.
They use Organic technology.
tech路nol路o路gy (těk-nŏl'ə-jē馃槈 Pronunciation Key
n. pl. tech路nol路o路gies1. The application of science, especially to industrial or commercial objectives.
There is nothing to suggest that their husbandry and genetics programs are anything but scientific.
They outnumber the Vong by ridiculous amounts in space? I'm not sure if I agree with that. And even if they did, I've already shown in a previous thread that Yuuzhan Vong ships generally are at least NINE times more powerful than ships that filled similar roles in Navies before the Empire. The GE lead to a massive leap in ship technology. For instance, turbolasers from before the GE recycle a third as fast as the ones the GE had and the New Republic eventually adopted. Therefor, when comparing, for instance, an ISD and a clone wars ship, you have to cut the number of turbo's on the clone wars ship by a third to effectively compare it to the Imperial ships. Knowing this, a single ISD is about as capable as NINE Venator's and a Miid Ro'ik was capable of defeating a ISD in one-on-one, putting at least nine times as strong as the strongest common ships in either the Republic or CIS fleets.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Wow, this is ridiculous. The CIS gets curbstomped. It would never come down to a ground battle because the Vong would just dominate them in every space engagement and then perform base-delta zero on every CIS world. Vong win easily.
First, I would like to see a direct quote for where the number of starships they have. And I would also like to add that coming from GG, it's probably subject to ridiculous levels of hyperbole to try and intimidate opposing forces.
Second, having millions of ships doesn't make them that powerful if the majority of those ships are smaller, weaker vessels.
Just so you know, the giant ion cannons won't have the same effect against the Vong ships, as ion cannons just disable mechanical ships and won't affect the organic technology the Vong use. Other than that, it would be outgunned by only a few dozen Miid Ro'iks, as it's weapons that would actually affect the Vong are much less capable.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
They outnumber the Vong by ridiculous amounts in space? I'm not sure if I agree with that.
They do.
According to Admiral Ackbar's investigation, as of Destiny's Way, the New Republic had obliterated nearly a third of the Vong's military forces. Compare this to the Confederacy who field several quintillion droids according to General Grievous: Lord of War. Meanwhile, according Revenge of the Sith: Incredible Cross Sections, the Confederacy's navy fields "millions" of warships (they were locked in battle with the Republic during the Siege of Coruscant). Hence why there were only a "few thousand frigates and destroyers" available for Grievous's assault on the capital.
Numerically, the CIS outclass the Vong by lightyears.
Why are you bringing up their numbers of units on the ground? And notice that I said we shouldn't be to hasty to accept anything stated be GG without logical basis supporting it, because it could easily have been propaganda. Can you provide any such support for them actually having those numbers of troops?
Then, notice what I said about having millions of ships not being that important if the majority of them are just frigates and such. The Vong had millions of ships too, and they are FAR more capable on a ship per ship basis than anything before them.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Why are you bringing up their numbers of units on the ground?
To put it into proper perspective on how terribly the Vong are outnumbered.
And notice that I said we shouldn't be to hasty to accept anything stated be GG without logical basis supporting it, because it could easily have been propaganda.
And who said that the General was the one who said it?
Can you provide any such support for them actually having those numbers of troops?
The sources.
I strongly urge you to not try the lawyer's approach to exploit a loophole. You won't find any here and it's a sign of great desperation.
Then, notice what I said about having millions of ships not being that important if the majority of them are just frigates and such.
And you have reason to believe that they are based on...?
The Vong had millions of ships too, and they are FAR more capable on a ship per ship basis than anything before them.
I want the source that says that the Vong had millions of ships. And then I want to know how you reconcile the fact that they -- somehow -- managed to lose a third of their warriors against a disorganized nonmilitant government.
Hey sorry for the delay I had run from the computer unexpectedly.
Originally posted by Gideon
To put it into proper perspective on how terribly the Vong are outnumbered.
Except ground forces are not important and the quote is obviously subject to blatant hyperbole. Quintillion's of droids would put their numbers at trillions PER WORLD. The droids would have outnumbered the population of the galaxy itself. Can logically prove that?
Originally posted by Gideon
And who said that the General was the one who said it?
That's what I was told in the Old Republic vs. Vong thread. And as I said, doesn't matter who it came from, it's obviously not true.
Originally posted by Gideon
The sources.I strongly urge you to not try the lawyer's approach to exploit a loophole. You won't find any here and it's a sign of great desperation.
Like I've said, the source you provided is completely illogical. If you're going to take that at face value, you have to take the 3 million clones quote at face value as well. If you do I'll just point out that 3 million clones overcame the CIS, so it doesn't matter how many droids the CIS had, they still were equal to only 3 million clone troopers, which the Vong would annihilate.
Originally posted by Gideon
And you have reason to believe that they are based on...?
The fact that in the GE less than .1% of their navy was composed of ships equal to or great than their ISD's. Any reason to believe this isn't typical of all SW navies?
Originally posted by Gideon
I want the source that says that the Vong had millions of ships. And then I want to know how you reconcile the fact that they -- somehow -- managed to lose a third of their warriors against a disorganized nonmilitant government.
It's pretty obvious that their fleet was extremely powerful.
Yes, they did lose a third of their fleet, but in doing so they had managed to effectively fight the :
New Republic
Hutts
Hapans
Chiss
Imperial Remnant
Yevetha (who alone had a considerable navy)
Mandalorians (pretty weak, but still a factor)
Zonoma Sekot (again, weak, but still a factor)
Canon>your opinion. T-Canon states that the clones were outnumbered a hundred to one. THAT IS ABOVE KAREN TRAVISS SO SHUT UP ABOUT THAT FIGURE! Now considering the fact that the Vong was scared shitless...shitless, by Thrawn's Imperial remnant which was like one percent of the total Imperial fleet. The Galaxy had quadrillions of SPECIES. How the hell do you figure the droid army outnumbers the Galaxy's inhabitants, may I remind you colonies and worlds with a million people would not be represented in the Senate. Your stubbornness is so infuriating, the Vong can't touch the CIS's numbers, combined with the Jedi Order and Grievous as strategists the Vong will most likely lose here.