Originally posted by GideonYeah, but I don't think they had the Eclipse/Sovereign/ISD/SSD/World Devestator/Sun Crusher/Galaxy Gun plans. But if they did that'd be sweeeet.
The Confederacy had both.Count Dooku and the Geonosians were planning to build a proto-Death Star quite literally on the very first day on the job.
And Red, stop tormenting BOOG's name. He's dead now. Killed in a shoot-out with Star Trek fans from the West Si'ede.
Originally posted by Gideon
The Confederacy had both.Count Dooku and the Geonosians were planning to build a proto-Death Star quite literally on the very first day on the job.
Wow, a prototype Death Star. The Hutts basically did the same thing. They couldn't have produced anything nearly as fast as the Empire, or as advanced stuff (like the Eclipse, Sovereigns, Galaxy Gun, ect.).
Wow. Three Venators. We already know that a SINGLE ISD has the equivalent of 180 pre-Empire turbolasers. The Vong Miid Ro'ik, which a rather common in the Vong fleet, are even more powerful.
We already know those quotes are just as bullshit as the 3 million clones figure. The CIS has the ability to produce the Eclipse and ISD's? Nope.
I see you're a little ignorant about the storyline. They made him emperor because they knew he would get assassinated.
Yet the Empire had the ability to build Eclipse ships in only a few months. The same with Sovereign's, World Devastators, and the Galaxy Gun. Industry is where the Empire truly shined.
The Hapans. And the Yevatha. The Hutts. The New Republic. The Chiss. Should I go on? There shipyards were definitely not all under Imperial jurisdiction. Get your facts strait.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Wow, a prototype Death Star.
Your sarcasm is misplaced.
The Hutts basically did the same thing.
They built a superlaser mimicking the Death Star's potency. The designs given to Dooku were for an exact replica of the space station eventually constructed by Moff Tarkin.
Not to mention that the Hutts were an extremely powerful consortium and had the services of Bevel Lemelisk. Your delusion that only the Empire could have designed superweapons is rather stupid, since the Ratakans and "architects" that designed Centerpoint Station managed to do so as well -- and their resources and technology are a far cry from the Empire's own.
They couldn't have produced anything nearly as fast as the Empire, or as advanced stuff (like the Eclipse, Sovereigns, Galaxy Gun, ect.).
If they built a Death Star and pioneered use of a gigantic ion cannon, I'm inclined to disagree. Would their technology, numbers, and resources be on par with the Empire's as a whole? No. The Empire is much more powerful than the Confederacy, but that does not mean that the CIS is incapable of performing similar feats.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Wow. Three Venators. We already know that a SINGLE ISD has the equivalent of 180 pre-Empire turbolasers. The Vong Miid Ro'ik, which a rather common in the Vong fleet, are even more powerful.We already know those quotes are just as bullshit as the 3 million clones figure. The CIS has the ability to produce the Eclipse and ISD's? Nope.
? Did you just quote me on accident?
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Even so their are easier ways to assassinate someone
That was still the method they chose. Mainly it was a way for all of them to keep their hands clean.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Play FOC you'll find that the Eclipse has been under construction at least since the Battle of Yavin, logic dictates that the Eclipse II was likely under construction since a bit after that. It is you who seems ignorant of these superweapons
Yes but we also know that the Eclipse ships would have been under low priority during that time. The second Death Star was about sixty percent completed in SIX MONTHS.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
The Hutts were Imperial allies, as their is no evidence that their alliance with the Republic was broken after it became the Empire. The New Republic did not exist whilst the Empire did at its height. The Chiss were undiscovered, as were the Hapans, I'll give you that, however the Yevetha were under the jurisdiction of the Empire, as their was a Type-II shipyard in orbit around their homeworld.
You aren't looking at it from the Vong POV. They had throughly scouted the galaxy and knew pretty well who they would be fighting. What groups we well known to the Core were not necessarily all the Vong knew about. Plus, the Chiss were not entirely unknown, neither were the Hapans. They just weren't common knowledge to the average citizen. The Chiss encountered the Vong as early as 27 BBY (Admiral Ar'lanai fought them).
Originally posted by Gideon
They built a superlaser mimicking the Death Star's potency. The designs given to Dooku were for an exact replica of the space station eventually constructed by Moff Tarkin.
Those designs came from Dooku, who had given them previously to the Geonosians for modifications. Raith Sienar and Tarkin had the plans before the CIS or Genosians ever did. And note that the technology to create the Death Star still didn't exist, as after the Clone Wars, during the battle of Mygeeto, the 501st recovered the power crystals to help power the Death Star. And even still, the actual designed had to be ironed out for years after the CIS collapsed in the Maw installation by Bevel Lemelisk, Tol Sivran, and Qwi Xux.
So no, the CIS could not have created the Death Star.
Originally posted by Gideon
Not to mention that the Hutts were an extremely powerful consortium and had the services of Bevel Lemelisk. Your delusion that only the Empire could have designed superweapons is rather stupid, since the Ratakans and "architects" that designed Centerpoint Station managed to do so as well -- and their resources and technology are a far cry from the Empire's own.
The Hutts were extremely powerful and they still were torn apart by the Vong very quickly while the Vong were fighting the New Republic, Empire, Chiss, Hapans, Yevetha (who are at least as powerful as the Hutts), and the Ssi-Ruuk (they might actually have not engaged the Ssi-Ruuk yet, I'm not sure).
The point remains though, that the CIS did not have anywhere near that level of technology or industry to yet create a Death Star, or any superweapon approaching that level. That one ship is no where near as powerful.
Originally posted by Gideon
If they built a Death Star and pioneered use of a gigantic ion cannon, I'm inclined to disagree. Would their technology, numbers, and resources be on par with the Empire's as a whole? No. The Empire is much more powerful than the Confederacy, but that does not mean that the CIS is incapable of performing similar feats.
WTF Gideon. The CIS NEVER built a Death Star. They didn't even have complete plans. And they had a ship with a big ion canon. So what? They had one and apparently lacked the ability to rebuild it or something like it, as the next strongest ship they had was no where near as powerful. It topped the Venators, but not by a huge amount. Seeing as a single Miid Roik is at least nine times stronger than a Venator, the strongest ship the CIS can produce next to the Malevolence would get raped by a single, common, Vong capital ship.
Seriously, do you honestly think the CIS would win over the Vong, Gideon?
Originally posted by Lucien A
Yeah, but I don't think they had the Eclipse/Sovereign/ISD/SSD/World Devestator/Sun Crusher/Galaxy Gun plans. But if they did that'd be sweeeet.And Red, stop tormenting BOOG's name. He's dead now. Killed in a shoot-out with Star Trek fans from the West Si'ede.