Originally posted by quanchi112
This isnt pc Seid. Classic Seid is completely different than classic Seid.
You don't seem to be the OP so how can you be making that sort of basesless judgment?
Originally posted by Enyalus
Doesn't matter, PC Darkseid would lose, too.
Not even close. PCDS really did have the unstoppable OE and they really did never miss anything.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Doesn't matter, PC Darkseid would lose, too.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Between COIE and FC, yeah that's probably how it would end. He was a different kind of threat entirely before the first Crisis.
Okayokayokay...I don't have too much knowledge about DC prior to COIE. So I might defer to you there. Still, killing off virtually every superhero in your universe, wiping out the Shi'ar Imperial Guard, spanking Gladiator like a baby and almost killing Galactus are good feats. You think it'd be close?
Originally posted by Enyalus
Okayokayokay...I don't have too much knowledge about DC prior to COIE. So I might defer to you there. Still, killing off virtually every superhero in your universe, wiping out the Shi'ar Imperial Guard, spanking Gladiator like a baby and almost killing Galactus are good feats. You think it'd be close?
Possibly, though the version seen in Exiles was really just a thought experiment in what would happen in Surfer wasn't bound by his normal principles wasn't it?
Anyhow PCDarkseid was known for killing Gods under his own power and he knocked superheroes around like children.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Possibly, though the version seen in Exiles was really just a thought experiment in what would happen in Surfer wasn't bound by his normal principles wasn't it?
I don't think so - I think this version had more power than 616 Surfer and a different attitude, kind of like Superboy Prime and Superman.
In a non-canon story, 616 Surfer and Gladiator fought and were fairly evenly matched. In 552, Surfer severely wounds Gladiator with one shot, ends up catching a punch hard and fast enough to cause a white-out effect (and make it look easy), then has his board cut Kallark in half effortlessly. The board is an extension of Norrin's will, so it being that powerful is an indicator that Surfer's power is tremendous.
Also, 616 Ronan the Accuser and Silver Surfer have also gone toe-to-toe, and that's been relatively close, too...yet 552 Surfer disintegrates him, Captain Mar-vell, and Super Skrull with one blast.
In 552, Galactus is the Restorer of Worlds, instead of eating them. So it stands to reason that he's generally at a higher power level than the 616 version (since often Big G seems hungry and thus weakened). That could explain the power increase that Exiles Surfer displays.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Anyhow PCDarkseid was known for killing Gods under his own power and he knocked superheroes around like children.
Yeah. 552 Surfer was killing and disintegrating superheroes like they were children, too. 🙂 Like I said, he definitely seemed high-trans at the very least. DP Tyrant level or so.
Originally posted by Enyalus
I don't think so - I think this version had more power than 616 Surfer and a different attitude, kind of like Superboy Prime and Superman.In a non-canon story, 616 Surfer and Gladiator fought and were fairly evenly matched. In 552, Surfer severely wounds Gladiator with one shot, ends up catching a punch hard and fast enough to cause a white-out effect (and make it look easy), then has his board cut Kallark in half effortlessly. The board is an extension of Norrin's will, so it being that powerful is an indicator that Surfer's power is tremendous.
Also, 616 Ronan the Accuser and Silver Surfer have also gone toe-to-toe, and that's been relatively close, too...yet 552 Surfer disintegrates him, Captain Mar-vell, and Super Skrull with one blast.
In 552, Galactus is the Restorer of Worlds, instead of eating them. So it stands to reason that he's generally at a higher power level than the 616 version (since often Big G seems hungry and thus weakened). That could explain the power increase that Exiles Surfer displays.
Yeah. 552 Surfer was killing and disintegrating superheroes like they were children, too. 🙂 Like I said, he definitely seemed high-trans at the very least. DP Tyrant level or so.
Good post, never thought of it like that.
After superman took a sundip....and please tell me people still arent thinking exiles surfer stands a snowballs chance in hell against pc darkseid.......pc darkseid was well into the high skyfather/odin level of power it would take no effort at all for him to drain surfers power/erase him from existance or straight up hand to hand tear him into pieces.
Originally posted by Stoic
Why don't you post the whole fight, because Darkseid lost that fight and was hung up on the Source wall like a Christmas decoration. So yeah when he was handled there.
He recovered and was stomped in outer space, Superman showed he had no need for Diana's interferance as he threw her out of the way, and took it to Darkseid. Superman beat him without a shadow of a doubt, and beat him badly enough for most people to believe that Kal was superior to Darkseid despite what he always says about being Superman's better. Superman even punched a hole in his arm for good measure, so yes he was handled.
Originally posted by Stoic
He recovered and was stomped in outer space, Superman showed he had no need for Diana's interferance as he threw her out of the way, and took it to Darkseid. Superman beat him without a shadow of a doubt, and beat him badly enough for most people to believe that Kal was superior to Darkseid despite what he always says about being Superman's better. Superman even punched a hole in his arm for good measure, so yes he was handled.
Originally posted by fangirl101
Are you kidding me? Superman blitzed DS and got knocked away easily. He had a need for her. He sun amped. And DS recovered from his OWN blast. He was still injured. By that Time, Superman had a sun amp. Please tell me you read the story. Do I need to post it panel by panel? In slow motion?
Speedblitzed? No stop making up stories to suit your crush on rockhead and the amazon.
Superman Bullrushed him is the more precise action that he took, and was knocked away, but this is nothing that Captain Marvel was unable to do to an eclipsed Superman.
You say that Superman was amped by the sun, was he in the sun when he forcibly removed Darkseid from the planet? No he was not.
Please do post the fight panel by panel in slow motion, and you can stop the superiority complex, you're not intimidating anyone, or perhaps it's your way of making it seem like you made a more solid point. You didn't so try sticking to the facts, or stop posting.
Originally posted by vlaaad12345
After superman took a sundip....and please tell me people still arent thinking exiles surfer stands a snowballs chance in hell against pc darkseid.......pc darkseid was well into the high skyfather/odin level of power it would take no effort at all for him to drain surfers power/erase him from existance or straight up hand to hand tear him into pieces.
Which was my first question, which era of Darkseid is this.. Classic could mean Darkseid just before DOTNG's or PC Darkseid... PC wins this easily. PRE DOTNG's Darkseid does not.
Originally posted by Stoic
Speedblitzed? No stop making up stories to suit your crush on rockhead and the amazon.Superman Bullrushed him is the more precise action that he took, and was knocked away, but this is nothing that Captain Marvel was unable to do to an eclipsed Superman.
You say that Superman was amped by the sun, was he in the sun when he forcibly removed Darkseid from the planet? No he was not.
Please do post the fight panel by panel in slow motion, and you can stop the superiority complex, you're not intimidating anyone, or perhaps it's your way of making it seem like you made a more solid point. You didn't so try sticking to the facts, or stop posting.
Which was my first question, which era of Darkseid is this.. Classic could mean Darkseid just before DOTNG's or PC Darkseid... PC wins this easily. PRE DOTNG's Darkseid does not.
Was DS still reeling from his Own injuring blast when Superman LOL forcibly took him to the sun? I guess you missed that part. you did. Shall I post it for you? You seem to be missing a page out of your comic. Stick to that fact. If you drop a 500 pound weight on your arm and crush it, and then a girl comes along and forcibly pushes you out of your house, what are you going to do about it?