Originally posted by Mindset
Supes knows Juggs is vulnerable to mental attacks?
Without BFR (which would have been easy to accomplish for Supes), for team 2 to stand a chance Supes has to use TVo. Sure he could easily keep away from Juggs with his speed but without mystical armaments he isn't hurting Juggs so he has to use T-Vo to win. Draw Juggs mind into a higher consciousness and beat him in a battle of will and wit.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Well with that logic I could say that Team 1 wins.-knock out Supes
-Knock out Konvikt with punches.you do realized that you already failed when you said knock out Cain? Cain can't be KO'd, especially by some weak ass sonic booms. also the OP said no BFR.
I'm afraid you couldn't.
Nobody on team 1 has speed comparable to Superman, nor will any of them have an easy time hitting him. Thor is susceptible to being blitzed by a barrage of punches and Juggernaut would be absolutely helpless if Superman decided to bury him in concrete or simply vibrate him into anything.
Juggernaut's been injured physically a mass of times, he's been knocked out by sonic booms and Nightcrawler once hurt him by swinging a candle at him. So no, how can I be wrong when he's affected by such things like 5 times or more.
OP said no blitzing. Thor can keep up with supes and vibrating him into something is like BFRing him which isn't allowed. Concrete isn't going to do anything, he has broken out of things way stronger than that. The only time he didn't was when Spide PISsed on him. If you really think that a candle was truly able to hurt him without PIS then I'm sorry. The sonic booms were already explained too.
Show me scans of Cain being physically hurt? Show me something that says Supes punches can hurt him when Cain has taken shots and blows stronger than his punches. No matter what, they aren't breaking through his FF.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
OP said no blitzing. Thor can keep up with supes and vibrating him into something is like BFRing him which isn't allowed. Concrete isn't going to do anything, he has broken out of things way stronger than that. The only time he didn't was when Spide PISsed on him. If you really think that a candle was truly able to hurt him without PIS then I'm sorry. The sonic booms were already explained too.Show me scans of Cain being physically hurt? Show me something that says Supes punches can hurt him when Cain has taken shots and blows stronger than his punches. No matter what, they aren't breaking through his FF.
If you knew anything about comics, you would know that Juggernaut has been hurt by fire, that the Hulk has gotten him with punches and that sonic attacks have injured him (Nimrod)
How is vibrating someone into the ground the same as BFR? They're being stuck, not removed.
Originally posted by Bada's Palin
If you knew anything about comics, you would know that Juggernaut has been hurt by fire, that the Hulk has gotten him with punches and that sonic attacks have injured him (Nimrod)How is vibrating someone into the ground the same as BFR? They're being stuck, not removed.
Oh vibrating him into the ground? Sorry at first you said middle of the earth and I was still on that. Cain can break through the ground. He has broken out of things more denser than the ground.
Originally posted by AllanklesHow doesnt Konvikt get beat in the meantime?
Supes uses T-Vo on Jugs for the win. Even without a BFR Jugs can be a non factor as long as Supes keeps away with his speed and then uses his mystical/mental powers to keep Jugs out of the equation. Konvict and Supes double team Thor for the KO.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
OP said no blitzing.
The OP said no BFR not no blitzing.
EDIT: He said no blitzing typical Carver thread, basically disable one character so that he doesn't even have his trademark abilities. In that case team 1 would probably take this 6/10 although Supes HV being faster than Thor's thunder strikes could disable Thor if he blasted Thor's hands at close quarters, fight Thor without his Hammer.
Konvikt is quicker than Juggernaut and pretty durable to blunt force trauma so it would be a long battle as Supes takes Thor, I think it would be a fair good fight as long as Supes uses his freeze breath and HV to make up for the no blitzing.
Freeze breath to immobilize these guys briefly and then HV to get in close and try to take the Hammer out of the equation.
Most extreme scenario for a team 2 win would have to involve Supes using TVo to make illusions and such and then eventually entrap one of these guys minds (especially) Jugs.
As far as Juggs not being able to be hurt it's difficult to say. What's Juggs best show of durability? I know more than likely you have to mystism/magic or use telepathy to hurt him, but a mystical augmentation can still be trumpt with a force considerable enough to overcome it.
And for those saying Supes could vibrate Jugs to the core of a planet that still counts as a BFR.
Originally posted by Allankles
The OP said no BFR not no blitzing.
Are you sure about that?
Originally posted by carver9
No bfring in this match and no speed blitz. This is a normal fight just like it would happen in a comic. No hitting someone a million times before he opened his eyes so thats basically saying that cis is on.This is classic thor.
Originally posted by Bada's Palinthis post makes me lol
If you knew anything about comics, you would know that Juggernaut has been hurt by fire, that the Hulk has gotten him with punches and that sonic attacks have injured him (Nimrod)How is vibrating someone into the ground the same as BFR? They're being stuck, not removed.
Good job trying to be condescending and not know wtf you're talking about.
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Originally posted by carver9
You do know that nimrod can find a weakness in almost any being and can create (main word "create" a device from his own body to defeat you) a weapon to drop you, no matter your durability. He created juggernauts kryptonite and superman cant mimic that. If superman can use sound waves to take out juggernaut then that basically saying that he can use those same sound wave to take out despero, konvikt, titus, doomsday, and darkseid since juggernaut is more durable then everyone that I have named.Supermans sound waves>>>>>blackbolt.
Originally posted by TheBadguy
Its the mythical forum Superman's special power. All foes must stand still and watch Superman work and must never fight to the best of their abilities.
Supes isn't sitting around meditating when he is using TVo he could make illusions and such to run interference, but I said it's the most extreme scenario he'd be better served just trying to vibrate Juggs into the BF as Thor and Konvikt battle it out and Konvikt has shown enough durability that I'd expect him to keep Thor occupied.
And even if you switch the matches Supes can get his energetic attacks off faster than Thor can at close quarters all he has to do is will his HV beams and they shoot out in less than a moment or his super breath or freezebreath to run effective tactical distractions.