Originally posted by Galan007i just meant that i can think of a DC character or two who's accomplished better on panel feats than beyonder. by 'feats,' i mean actions.... not statements regarding said character(s).
I'd like to know who did what that surpassed Beyonder's greatest feat.
Originally posted by Galan007that's something i refuse to get into,
mainly because there are some who will defend/wank beyonder to ridiculous levels....
and a pages-spanning 'debate' is something i simply do not wish to delve into.
Originally posted by occultdestroyerYep,
I guess you're referring to Mr. M
But if you think he was directing this at me,
why don't you ask him again, see if he says it was,
then we can all move on from there,
gunz blazin and all.
😬
Keep my name out of your posts if you're just trying to start some shit
... otherwise, BRING IT! ... and we'll debate about the Beyonder.
Originally posted by fangirl101
He sure takes a lot of breaks. Leaving the Lt to look like a noob. He's worst that the Presence is with the Spectre.
When you're supreme, what the f*ck is there to worry about? Life is chill.
😄 The MU and DCU can take care of itself. And if it can't, screw it. They'd recreate it.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaEnyalus, it's quite simple.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaIf, for example, a character being billions of times more powerfull than the entire Marvel Universe would have been created, then he would be > that version of Beyonder, thus Beyonder not being supreme.
So this analogy is inconsequential friend.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaWhether or not a character stronger than Beyonder has appeared in Marvel & DC is irrelevant.
The same goes for the Beyonder Universe being like an ocean in relation with the Marvel Multiverse being a drop of water. Another character could have been created that was powerfull enough to create a Universe to which the main Marvel Multiverse was like a molecule in relation with the Universe, or something of that sort.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaPoint is, if you can be surpassed, you are not supreme, no matter how hard you dominate the opposition. And Beyonder isn't the be all end all of comic characters in terms of power.
That could be said about anyone.
So seriously good friend,
what's your point?
Who in Marvel comics are you talking about that surpassed Beyonder?
Originally posted by fangirl101Millions of times more powerful than infinite is retarded.
Marvel was nigh infinite at the time.
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"seemingly Endless Dimesnions" means infinite Multiverse.
"Odd thing He had noticed about our Universe"
Namely that it is Many-Layered
composed of a seemingly Endless Number of Dimensions,
indeed, it is a MULTIVERSE"
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These are from the same Hulk Arc:
The Crossroads of Infinity are located withIN the Negative Zone,
the Crossroads is a Nexus that connects all the realities in the infinite Multiverse:
"It is a place where many pathways intersect,
where many roads cross,
and yet,
a traveller taking any route stretching on forever before him"
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"The Infinite breadth of the Crossroads."
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If the Crossroads is infinite
then the Multiverse must be infinite likewise.
Because the Crossroads are the doors to every reality in the Multiverse.
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In Marvel, Dimensions are ENTIRE UniverseS:
PLEASE READ a Comic Book, ... just once!!!
Originally posted by Enyalus
When you're supreme, what the f*ck is there to worry about? Life is chill.😄 The MU and DCU can take care of itself. And if it can't, screw it. They'd recreate it.
As for the fallacious suggestions that Beyonder's feats were all statements.
~hysterical~
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Beyonder's top feat
Creating from nothingness ... the Beyond Realm
(a Reality septillions of times more infinite, than the infinite prime Multiverse)
"A Universe to which OUR OWN (INFINITE Multiverse)
is as a droplet of Water to the Ocean"
=== note ===
There are roughly around 20-25 Septillion drops of Water in the Ocean,
according to the Mathematical Biosciences Intitute in 2005
and the Scripps Institution of Oceanography.
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"OUR OWN" Universe ... is the infinite prime Multiverse:
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"Odd thing He had noticed about our Universe"
"Namely that it is Many-Layered
composed of a seemingly Endless Number of Dimensions,
indeed, it is a MULTIVERSE"
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And now .. On Panel!
Beyonder's top feat
Creating from nothingness ... the Beyond Realm
(a Reality septillions of times more infinite, than the infinite prime Multiverse)
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Beyonder CREATING/BECOMING the INFINITE Beyond:
"Masses form in the Void, Stars, Suns, and Planets ... LIFE Arises"
"Meeting NO resistance in the INFINITE BEYOND"
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"Evolves and Flourishes Within the New Universe,
BEGAT (brought into existence) by Beyonder's Power"
"Mortal Beings giving meaning to the INFINITY in which they dwell"
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swank
Btw. This infinity is actually an uberdiculous Multiverse:
"Beyonder, the entity that embodied all the substance of Another Multiverse"
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Just like Writer/Editor in-Chief, Jim Shooter stated in his interview. 🙂
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Jim Shooter himself describes Classic Beyonder to us:
Jim states:
1. Beyonder "is a Multi-verse."
2. Beyonder "was like God before there was Genesis."
3. Beyonder's discovery of our Universe ... (Marvel Multiverse)
.... was like when inventor Leeuwenhoek, looked through his micro-scope ...
.... and discovered little paramecia swimming in a drop of water ... "
"We introduced the Beyonder
and established
that he was studying these beings - us - he had discovered"
swank
This is why Beyonder had to be retconned, (de-powered)
simply too much grander and power.
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MILLIONS of times more powerful than the Living Tribunal,
and the rest of the INFINITE Marvelverse combined:
"The awesome power contained within
millions of time more than all the rest of the power in the (INFINITE) Multiverse combined"
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This is why!
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The LT was afraid of the Beyonder, Desperate in FACT:
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When Uatu gathered the Cosmic Hierarchy (the LT included)
the In-Betweener says about Mephisto,
"Surely this is his day of last resorts ... he is desperate ... AS ARE WE"
I believe "WE" included the LT ✅ (who is there)
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After Beyonder erased Death from the Multiverse,
the Hierarchy (including the LT) accepts their fate,
then the MM shows up and they all step aside: (as if salvation arrived)
LOL!
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Who's the ONLY being to ever make the LT tremble in fear?
Beyonder, that's who.
The Living Tribunal and the hierarchy literally,
were quaking in their pants at the thought of what Beyonder would do,
if Eternity failed,
when Eternity actually mustered some courage to attempt an attack:
"The Mighty of the MULTIVERSE (the LT included) TREMBLE"
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No matter how big the Omniverse is,
all that matters is the Prime Multiverse,
which is virtually the same Multiverse from 1985,
the only Multiverse that has a sentient concept of time/space (Eternity/Infinity)
the only Multiverse with the cosmic hierarchy,
the only Multiverse with Multiversal & "Omniversal" beings,
the primary Multiverse the LT surveys:
With the exception of two new 'megaversal' concepts ... (which have never been seen again)
It's the same Multiverse from 1985, with basically the same hierarchy.
99% of all the power in Marvel is concentrated in the Prime Multiverse. (in terms of ratio)
Same Multiverse of 1985.
In fact,
Eternity, was the 3rd most powerful entity in 1985, right below the LT.
If I had to make a current active hierarchy list,
you'd see where Eternity would end up.
The LT & Scathan
The Alien Entity
Edifice Rex
The BeyonderS
Brothers
Abraxas/Vangaard/Infinites
Eternity/Infinity/Death/Oblivion
7th place ...
1985 Eternity (prime Multiverse) = 3rd place
2008 Eternity (prime Multiverse) = 7th place
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With the exception of the "Brothers" my friends,
Marvel has stayed virtually the SAME since 1985.
And even with the "Brothers,"
they only represent a collection of Multiverses each,
while the Beyonder dwarfed the infinite prime Multiverse septillions of times over.
holy! 😎
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Anything else has been weapons and/or artifacts/sources of power.
RETCONNED Beyonder!!!
For the record:
The only feats of the original Beyonder that were retconned (nullified) were:
1. Making the LT and the rest of the Multiversal Abstracts tremble in fear.
(retconned to just threatening Eternity)
2. Being Millions of times more powerful than LT and the Multiverse combined.
(completely retconned)
3. Creating a Reality that was an Ocean compared to the infinite Multiverse (a drop of water)
(retconned into a normal whole Universe)
4. Stomping the Celestials hand to hand.
(retconned into the Celestials allowing it)
5. Defeating Galactus' World Ship empowered Doom.
(retconned, specifics below)
That's it.
Evidently Beyonder was still really going to destroy Eternity,
and Eternity still needed to even leech off of some of Beyonder's power
in order to try and defeat him with Beyondersbane:
(from Eternity's 2006 Handbook bio)
😆
Even retconned Beyonder is credited with nearly boombashing Eternity!
It's also 100% Canon that Beyonder erased Death!
Ain't gonna mention any names,
but some cats love to post shit without knowing shit about shit
I can't read what certain posters are posting becuz they are blocked, but I'm sure the loads of scans and extrapolated opinon twisted and forced into fact for everyone is what Galan was talking about when he said he didn't want to be bothered. 5 post in a row. LMAO. And no one's minds are changed. the same people who agree agree. And the same people who disagree disagree. LULZ.
Originally posted by fangirl101
I can't read what certain posters are posting becuz they are blocked, but I'm sure the loads of scans and extrapolated opinon twisted and forced into fact for everyone is what Galan was talking about when he said he didn't want to be bothered. 5 post in a row. LMAO. And no one's minds are changed. the same people who agree agree. And the same people who disagree disagree. LULZ.
Synopsis of Mr. Master's recent posts: using on panel evidence, handbooks, and Jim Shooter interviews to disprove your unfounded opinions regarding The Beyonder.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Synopsis of Mr. Master's recent posts: using on panel evidence, handbooks, and Jim Shooter interviews to disprove your unfounded opinions regarding The Beyonder.
Originally posted by fangirl101
My unfounded claims? I didn't claim anything. Don't tell me my statements are unfounded. Or I'll block you. You dont' see me doing that to you when you say the myriad of dumbness that concerns DC. I've merely said that There was No TOAA back when the beyonder was around. Which means the LT was weaker.
There couldn't be two supreme beings at marvel could there? If the beyonder was supreme. To me he wasn't. He was an idiot. who was millions of times more powerful than the multiverse but couldn't smash MM like a bug. God would literally erase Preretconned Molecule Man. And that I know for sure is why Beyonder was not God. Period.
He was the Supreme Being of a different universe, separate from the MU.
If TOAA supposedly didn't exist back then, then...who was the Supreme Being of Marvel? The LT?
Clearly not.
Originally posted by Enyalus
He was the Supreme Being of a different universe, separate from the MU.If TOAA supposedly didn't exist back then, then...who was the Supreme Being of Marvel? The LT?
Clearly not.
Originally posted by EnyalusHe was the Supreme Being of a different universe, separate from the MU.
My friend,
it doesn't matter what was depicted On Panel in Marvel Comics,
it doesn't matter what the official Marvel Handbooks confirm the On Panel evidence,
it doesn't matter that the WRITER himself corroborate and elaborated on
the On Panel facts presented, that were cemented in the Marvel Handbooks.
All that irrefutable proof < 'NV' ... I mean fangirl.
durlaugh ... crazy
I'm out, this is asininely ridiculous and pointless to continue.
Originally posted by Mr Master
👆My friend,
it doesn't matter what was depicted On Panel in Marvel Comics,
it doesn't matter what the official Marvel Handbooks confirm the On Panel evidence,
it doesn't matter that the WRITER himself corroborate and elaborated on
the On Panel facts presented, that were cemented in the Marvel Handbooks.All that irrefutable proof < 'NV' ... I mean fangirl.
durlaugh ... crazy
I'm out, this is asininely ridiculous and pointless to continue.
Likewise. I don't know why I bothered to explain in the first place.
