Originally posted by fangirl101
A supreme being of a Different U comes in and just ****s with the MU and TOAA does nothing about it? Um yeah. And he's a supreme being of a different universe? Isn't he a marvel character? He's a supreme being that couldn't instantly erase Molecule Man out of existance? TOAA could. with a flick of a wrist.
Beyonder was created as being a character outside the marvel universe, even though technically it was marvel writers and the industry that created him.
Okay so what if the Presence and TOAA met. If the big P was in marvel, he is automatically weaker?
Before it was retconned by marvel, consider what the Brothers were. (although i don't think DC actually retconned the brothers) They were the entire multiverse itself, and LT, and Spectre were even below their notice. What were they before the retcon...
Ever hear that the universe we live in is infinite? but constantly expanding? In calculus.. we learn about something called limits... even though you may take a number supposedly to infinity... you may get sufficiently close to approach a certain number, such as 1.
Its 4 am in the morning my point may be lost with my mind right now. This stuff makes sense to me this late
Originally posted by rotiartBeyonder was created as being a character outside the marvel universe,
even though technically it was marvel writers and the industry that created him.Okay so what if the Presence and TOAA met.
If the big P was in marvel, he is automatically weaker?Before it was retconned by marvel, consider what the Brothers were.
They were the entire multiverse itself, and LT,
and Spectre were even below their notice.What were they before the retcon...
Ever hear that the universe we live in is infinite? but constantly expanding? In calculus.. we learn about something called limits... even though you may take a number supposedly to infinity... you may get sufficiently close to approach a certain number, such as 1.
Originally posted by rotiartIts 4 am in the morning my point may be lost with my mind right now.
This stuff makes sense to me this late
I've posted on panel depictions (statements AND feats)
(statements AND feats) confirmed in Marvel Handbooks
(statements AND feats) further corroborated by the writer himself in an interview.
Yet, you still spanked the life out of silly more than I with a simple post.
This is brilliance in my book ... swank
Originally posted by Mr Master
👆Isn't it amusing Rot?
I've posted on panel depictions (statements AND feats)
(statements AND feats) confirmed in Marvel Handbooks
(statements AND feats) further corroborated by the writer himself in an interview.Yet, you still spanked the life out of silly more than I with a simple post.
This is brilliance in my book ... swank
Less amusing than annoying. Honestly I think some people would agree, but they just like to pick fights to pick fights.
course thats why we are at a debate forum right? 😄
Originally posted by rotiart
Beyonder was created as being a character outside the marvel universe, even though technically it was marvel writers and the industry that created him.Okay so what if the Presence and TOAA met. If the big P was in marvel, he is automatically weaker?
Before it was retconned by marvel, consider what the Brothers were. (although i don't think DC actually retconned the brothers) They were the entire multiverse itself, and LT, and Spectre were even below their notice. What were they before the retcon...
Ever hear that the universe we live in is infinite? but constantly expanding? In calculus.. we learn about something called limits... even though you may take a number supposedly to infinity... you may get sufficiently close to approach a certain number, such as 1.
Its 4 am in the morning my point may be lost with my mind right now. This stuff makes sense to me this late
Originally posted by fangirl101
No. If The TOAA invades DC, then it would be an eternal stalemate. TOAA wouldn't be able to take over DC. DC would go on as it has as the Presence Eternally Stalemates the invading presence. the beyonder was not the supreme being of Marvel IF the TOAA was indeed the God. Which leaves the question open, Why was the LT so weak not to act and how did the beyonder take over someone else's turf? Especially when the Beyonder is a creation of said TOAA.
Originally posted by vansonbee
But TOAA storyline didn't except him as his creation 🙂. He was his own GOD.
Originally posted by fangirl101
Um. Who are you kidding. Your favorite posters says this all of the time. He even says that Thanos with the heart Stalemates the classic Beyonder. pay attention.
Mr. Master and I, and anyone who has read Secret Wars I & II have said that the Beyonder was the Supreme Being of a universe outside of the Marvel Universe. Which is true and backed up on-panel. Nowhere is it stated, nor has it been anyone's contention, that he was the Supreme Being of Marvel.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Mr. Master and I, and anyone who has read Secret Wars I & II have said that the Beyonder was the Supreme Being of a universe outside of the Marvel Universe. Which is true and backed up on-panel. Nowhere is it stated, nor has it been anyone's contention, that he was the Supreme Being of Marvel.
Then how do you suppose he was more powerful than the Lt when the Lt's bio confirms that the LT is second only to TOAA? And According to some, the LT has never been retconned. Hmmm?
Originally posted by EnyalusThen He did not exist. Which means the LT was not the same as he is now. Which means that the LT now is empowered by the Supreme being. Thus MM's feats of being more powerful than the LT don't amount to a hill of beans becuz the MM even at that level of power is nothing compared to the LT.
That bio was post 1985. TOAA was not "official" back then.
Originally posted by fangirl101
Then He did not exist.
Prove it. Unless you'd like to say that since LT is under the TOAA, and the TOAA did not exist then, that the LT was the Supreme Being of Marvel. In which case the Beyonder and MM were both above a Supreme Being in power.
I like that explanation, don't you?
Originally posted by Enyalus
Prove it. Unless you'd like to say that since LT is under the TOAA, and the TOAA did not exist then, that the LT was the Supreme Being of Marvel. In which case the Beyonder and MM were both above a Supreme Being in power.I like that explanation, don't you?
You miss the point. It escapes your grasp. Let it sink in. If The LT's bio states that he is 2nd only to the TOAA. That means he's always been such correct? According to the slow witted, he's never been retconned. That would mean that The MM was the Supreme being of marvel. Since he was the most powerful being in Marvel.
Originally posted by Enyalus
No, it wouldn't, considering that the LT bio you're using was after MM was retconned. MM being more powerful than the LT technically never happened.Nice try.
