Thanos with The IG vs. the Classic Molecule Man

Originally posted by fangirl101
Is that what he did? I thought the beyonder was a noob by then who had limited his own powers, and even then, Reece barely made it out of the fight.

Reece was the only one that could momentarily put up a fight.

Originally posted by Mindset
Beyonder limiting his powers was >>> all the abstracts

Reece was the only one that could momentarily put up a fight.

Why don't you go research that and come back and tell me.

Originally posted by Mindset
Why don't you go research that and come back and tell me.

Change Thanos with THOTI and then we have a fight.this fight though Thanos is FTL horribly.

Thanos Ig wins this easy...way to easy.

Correct me if I'm wrong Mr. Masters or whoever. Wasn't the LT in the days of this fight between The Beyonder and the MM written far less powerful then he was during the Infinity Gauntlet? It seems to me his feats have increased and increased far beyond how they were written during the fight in question. Is this true or not?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Correct me if I'm wrong Mr. Masters or whoever. Wasn't the LT in the days of this fight between The Beyonder and the MM written far less powerful then he was during the Infinity Gauntlet? It seems to me his feats have increased and increased far beyond how they were written during the fight in question. Is this true or not?

Featwise, maybe.

But he was still portrayed as the absolute power and authority beneath TOAA.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Featwise, maybe.

But he was still portrayed as the absolute power and authority beneath TOAA.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Featwise, maybe.

But he was still portrayed as the absolute power and authority beneath TOAA.

Well feats are very important and how things are portrayed. The LT in those days was hiding in a closet for God sakes with other abstracts in fear of the Beyonder. The MM with a wave of his hand re-did all the destruction the Beyonder did laying waste to planets. Sounds very similar to how the LT is written now and sounds exactly like what happened when the LT faced of against Warlock with the wave of his hand. The fact of the matter is him hiding in a closet and looking for protection from the MM isn't the LT being written properly or how he is written today or for sometime now. Fact of the matter is if the TOAA wanted to step in an oppose the Beyonder the LT could very well have been given is backing and power as his absolute judge. That is only if he couldn't have fought himself. However, that at least should've been how it should've played out regardless not him hiding and asking Reece for help. The fact is back then the LT wasn't written like he is today and doesn't have the feats ilke he has today. He may have had that title but he didn't really have it imo.

Originally posted by fangirl101
No he wasn't. Molecule Man was more powerful. And he was the absolute authority over a multiverse.

...Yes. I know MM was more powerful. But LT's job and position as top dog next to TOAA were the same in Secret Wars as they were in the Infinity War.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Well feats are very important and how things are portrayed. The LT in those days was hiding in a closet for God sakes with other abstracts in fear of the Beyonder. The MM with a wave of his hand re-did all the destruction the Beyonder did laying waste to planets. Sounds very similar to how the LT is written now and sounds exactly like what happened when the LT faced of against Warlock with the wave of his hand. The fact of the matter is him hiding in a closet and looking for protection from the MM isn't the LT being written properly or how he is written today or for sometime now. Fact of the matter is if the TOAA wanted to step in an oppose the Beyonder the LT could very well have been given is backing and power as his absolute judge. That is only if he couldn't have fought himself. However, that at least should've been how it should've played out regardless not him hiding and asking Reece for help. The fact is back then the LT wasn't written like he is today and doesn't have the feats ilke he has today. He may have had that title but he didn't really have it imo.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Well feats are very important and how things are portrayed. The LT in those days was hiding in a closet for God sakes with other abstracts in fear of the Beyonder. The MM with a wave of his hand re-did all the destruction the Beyonder did laying waste to planets. Sounds very similar to how the LT is written now and sounds exactly like what happened when the LT faced of against Warlock with the wave of his hand. The fact of the matter is him hiding in a closet and looking for protection from the MM isn't the LT being written properly or how he is written today or for sometime now. Fact of the matter is if the TOAA wanted to step in an oppose the Beyonder the LT could very well have been given is backing and power as his absolute judge. That is only if he couldn't have fought himself. However, that at least should've been how it should've played out regardless not him hiding and asking Reece for help. The fact is back then the LT wasn't written like he is today and doesn't have the feats ilke he has today. He may have had that title but he didn't really have it imo.

That's kind of like saying Doomsday shouldn't have killing Superman on his resume because Superman was weaker back then...

Originally posted by Enyalus
That's kind of like saying Doomsday shouldn't have killing Superman on his resume because Superman was weaker back then...

It can be on his resume but logic and common sense also need apply to various PIS or CIS events. I believe it was CIS and just a general not writing of the LT properly back then. To ignore that isn't very sound reasoning.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Um that is why it's called DOS Doomsday. And H/P doomsday. Feats.

Okay. And this is Pre-Retcon MM. And the feats he has are basically being more powerful than the LT - who was second to TOAA in power and authority. That position hasn't changed. You want to invalidate MM's power because no one back then had many feats? Lack of evidence isn't proof of it, though. It's the same title. It's the same LT. Always has been.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Okay. And this is Pre-Retcon MM. And the feats he has are basically being more powerful than the LT - who was second to TOAA in power and authority. That position hasn't changed. You want to invalidate MM's power because no one back then had many feats? Lack of evidence isn't proof of it, though. It's the same title. It's the same LT. Always has been.

LT was never retconned. Same LT then as the LT now. The same LT in 1986 as in 1992.

And Fangirl, seriously...LT was second to TOAA - then the Beyonder came along and surpassed his power. And afterwards, bam - back to second best.

Others have argued this very point including Mr. Masters.... LT wasn't written like his is today and didn't have the backing and feats to go along with that title. I remember a day when the LT's most powerful move was creating a super nova...lol lol. I mean really that was his most powerful move. To say that writers had a good grasp on what it meant to be Second in command back then is just nonsense. IMO that comic was written with the LT having serious CIS and PIS