Thanos with The IG vs. the Classic Molecule Man

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Others have argued this very point including Mr. Masters I believe.... The LT wasn't written like his is today and didn't have the backing and feats to go along with that title. I remember a day when the LT's most powerful move was creating a super nova...lol lol. I mean really that was his most powerful move. To say that writers had a good grasp on what it meant to be Second in command back then is just nonsense. IMO that comic was written with the LT having serious CIS and PIS

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Others have argued this very point including Mr. Masters.... LT wasn't written like his is today and didn't have the backing and feats to go along with that title. I remember a day when the LT's most powerful move was creating a super nova...lol lol. I mean really that was his most powerful move. To say that writers had a good grasp on what it meant to be Second in command back then is just nonsense. IMO that comic was written with the LT having serious CIS and PIS

So we should invalidate 90% of MM's feats?

Tell me what you expect. He made the entire Marvel abstract hierarchy look like a joke. That they weren't written like they are now shouldn't make a difference - same titles, same abilities, same implied power.

Originally posted by Enyalus
So we should invalidate 90% of MM's feats?

Tell me what you expect. He made the entire Marvel abstract hierarchy look like a joke. That they weren't written like they are now shouldn't make a difference - same titles, same abilities, same implied power.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi

Others have argued this very point including Mr. Masters....
LT wasn't written like his is today
and didn't have the backing and feats to go along with that title.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi

I remember a day when the LT's most powerful move was creating a super nova...lol lol.

I mean really that was his most powerful move.

That's interesting,
cause I remember the LT (with a thought)
ripping Korvac's entire Universe from the Multiverse,
and then sealing it in an impenetrable barrier.

I remember the LT stomping Nebulous,
who possessed through his staff, all the evil Magic in creation.

I remember the LT re-creating the dawn and birth of creation for Dr Strange.

"Super nova his most powerful move?"

😆

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi

To say that writers
had a good grasp on what it meant to be Second in command back then
is just nonsense.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi

IMO that comic was written with the LT having serious CIS and PIS

Then the Beyonder was created by TOAA who was Jim Shooter,
ol' Jimmy made Beyonder a Supreme Being that was an ocean,
while all of Marvel (including the LT) was a drop of water.

Then Owen discovered his true potential,
and he also became more powerful than the LT and all of Marvel,
beneath the Beyonder of course.

This isn't CIS or PIS, to THIS day:

The future of Humanity,
as they evolve into greater Mutants,
they will then evolve into Eternity,
every Human being will be an Eternity unto themselves,
and finally, Humanity will command the Cosmos,
where even the LT and the rest will bow to Humanity.

The Stranger was trying to usurp Humanity's destiny,
he failed of course:

Owen Reece was the first to reach this potential:

👆 ... Then as we all know, this was retconned and Owen was de-powered.

You don't like it, that's fine,
but you'll have to complain to Marvel about it,
cause it's a fact.

This is why Beyonder and even Owen was retconned,
due to ridiculous exaggeration of power and grander.

A retcon affects all involved. That will be all.

Originally posted by fangirl101
A retcon affects all involved. That will be all.

No.

Like I told YOU in the post I just posted!

Originally posted by Mr Master

I challenge you to produce a single scan that states LT's power was ever retconned,

or a single scan that depicts the LT's power was retconned,

or a single Bio account that states either fallacy.

Originally posted by Enyalus
No.

Took time? I remember him doing it with a twirl of his finger WHILE consoling the Beyonder.

Originally posted by fangirl101
yes. The LT was limited in what he could do so that Owen Reece could shine. Owen didn't do shit that the Un couldn't do better. the UN fixes the multiverse in an instant. Owen had to take time to fix the multiverse and not even all of it. Just the damaged parts. A retcon changes all involved. especially a retcon of that magnitude.

Beyonder was retconned. Reece was retconned. That's it. LT is LT is LT. That Reece made him look pathetic is just a testament to his power and achieved potential. See Mr. Master's post, which is supported by on panel evidence for more.

MM wins. Easily.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Beyonder was retconned. Reece was retconned. That's it. LT is LT is LT. That Reece made him look pathetic is just a testament to his power and achieved potential. See Mr. Master's post, which is supported by on panel evidence for more.

MM wins. Easily.

Originally posted by fangirl101

yes.

The LT was limited in what he could do so that Owen Reece could shine.

Originally posted by fangirl101

Owen didn't do shit that the Un couldn't do better.
the UN fixes the multiverse in an instant.

Owen had to take time to fix the multiverse and not even all of it.

Just the damaged parts.

Originally posted by fangirl101

A retcon changes all involved. especially a retcon of that magnitude.

Since evidently you're back to the same old ploys,
I'll just let Eny take care of ya with the on panel irrefutable proof I just posted.

If you actually come back with something,
anything by any stretch of the imagination that at the very least alludes to your fallacies,
I'll return.

But, considering you have to post an affirmation from Marvel comics,
instead of empty unsupported made up claims,
I'm obviously not going to need to return. 🙂

Do what you always do, and Nvr do.

Peace dogs.

Originally posted by fangirl101
The STORY was retconned. Thanks.

This is a failure of epic proportions.

The 2008 handbook still acknowledges alot of the stuff that happened in that arc.

Originally posted by fangirl101
The STORY was retconned. Thanks.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
This is a failure of epic proportions.

The 2008 handbook still acknowledges alot of the stuff that happened in that arc.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Yes. But the Beyonder and MM never had the power shown. Which means they were never more powerful than the LT. Ever. Ever. Ever. Never.

Except that this is Pre-Retconned MM, meaning he did.

And so he wins.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Except that this is Pre-Retconned MM, meaning he did.

And so he wins.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Pre retconned means we have to go by his feats at the time. Not by the LT's or anyone elses After the time. pwned.

...Right...meaning he was more powerful than the LT and all other Marvel abstracts, second only to Beyonder. You haven't 'pwned' anything.

Originally posted by fangirl101

Yes. But the Beyonder and MM never had the power shown.

Which means they were never more powerful than the LT.
Ever. Ever. Ever. Never.

Not "Ever" silly, more like AFTER the retcon.

"never Ever" would imply that pre-retcon Beyonder and MM never existed,
which again, is just another wonted fallacy coming from the same camp.

Why'd you even make a thread with CLASSIC MM,
if you're not going to consider who CLASSIC MM was?

... same ol same ol ... facepalm

You should've just used current MM.

I smell deliberate spite in the air.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Yes. But the Beyonder and MM never had the power shown. Which means they were never more powerful than the LT. Ever. Ever. Ever. Never.

You're dangerously close to spontaneously combusting.

What are you basing this on?