http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/hulk-gets-fresh-start-avengers-003500379.html
how hulk moved in space? hmmm..
http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/hulk-gets-fresh-start-avengers-003500379.html
how hulk moved in space? hmmm..
Originally posted by ScytheNo, both films are under the Marvel Studios banner, so everything is being kept in good continuity. Only the actor is different.
So are they just ignorng the Norton Hulk film and re-re-inventing his origin?
Originally posted by roughrider
No, both films are under the Marvel Studios banner, so everything is being kept in good continuity. Only the actor is different.
'Fresh start' is just a way of saying 'I know you fans weren't fully satisfied the previous times you're seen Hulk, but believe us it will be different this time!'
Ah, that article posted above made it seem like they were retooling it.
Originally posted by roughrider
No, both films are under the Marvel Studios banner, so everything is being kept in good continuity. Only the actor is different.
'Fresh start' is just a way of saying 'I know you fans weren't fully satisfied the previous times you're seen Hulk, but believe us it will be different this time!'
But most of us did like the last Hulk movie. Marvel looks at the figures too much. Theres other reasons for not making money.. e.g. not much hype, or excitement building up to the film.
Im sure if the Letterier Hulk came out in the first place instead of Ang Lee Hulk, it would have been a big hit.
Also enough of trying to make it like the Bill Bixby show. An Avengers Banner/Hulk will never be anything like the Bixby Banner/Hulk.
What made the Bill Bixby show work was everyone thought Banner was dead, and the woman he loved (who was the only one who knew he was the Hulk) died in the pilot. So he was all alone, and thats why people really felt for the character. And thats why that Really Depressing music at the end worked!
Originally posted by Kazenji
Like to know how does Thor come back to earth, when in the movie he was trapped in his realm after he had to destroy the Bifrost.
loki stated that there are other ways into the nine realms other than the bifrost.. like how he snuck in the jotuns into asgard without being detected by heimdall..
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
But most of us did like the last Hulk movie. Marvel looks at the figures too much. Theres other reasons for not making money.. e.g. not much hype, or excitement building up to the film.Im sure if the Letterier Hulk came out in the first place instead of Ang Lee Hulk, it would have been a big hit.
Also enough of trying to make it like the Bill Bixby show. An Avengers Banner/Hulk will never be anything like the Bixby Banner/Hulk.
What made the Bill Bixby show work was everyone thought Banner was dead, and the woman he loved (who was the only one who knew he was the Hulk) died in the pilot. So he was all alone, and thats why people really felt for the character. And thats why that Really Depressing music at the end worked!
People liked TIH more than the last one, sure, but compared to Hulk's popularity on the comics page, it still felt like it fell short. Especially when a lesser known hero like Iron Man - never before seen in live action - came out and did more than twice the business and was loved by everyone.
Lots of shades of grey work in the narrative for a Hulk movie, but maybe too much so for wide audiences. Are we supposed to really feel the military are the bad guys for pursuing Bruce Banner, when he could lode control and Hulk out in populated areas? That was something outside of the comic book fans were confused about.
The current Avengers cartoon put this to rest by having a more articulate (and in control) Hulk, making a mental agreement with Banner to work with the Avengers, so to stop with the fugitive angle.
Originally posted by roughrider
People liked TIH more than the last one, sure, but compared to Hulk's popularity on the comics page, it still felt like it fell short. Especially when a lesser known hero like Iron Man - never before seen in live action - came out and did more than twice the business and was loved by everyone.
I think that was the problem. The comparison to Iron Man which came out the same year.
But films like Captain America, X-Men First Class, even Origins Wolverine all look pretty poor in comparison to Iron Man & IM2.
Iron Man was kind of an unexpected huge blockbuster which as far as superhero movies go is only beaten by the Spiderman movies and The Dark Knight.
If we look at Batman Begins, that made less than 400mill, but look how well the sequel did! Why? Because when people actually got round to seeing Batman Begins they really liked it, and word of mouth spreads then there's more much more hype for a sequel.
I think Batman Begins was very much like TIH in the sense that they were both great movies but the previous movies in the series were still in peoples minds putting a downer on the hype/excitement for the new one.
Although with BB the marketing at least made it clear it was a complete reboot. It wasnt that clear with TIH imo.
I really feel a sequel to TIH would have done much better box office wise.
Originally posted by super pr*xy
loki stated that there are other ways into the nine realms other than the bifrost.. like how he snuck in the jotuns into asgard without being detected by heimdall..
I hope Thor has to possess somebody. Like Natalie Portman's ex boyfriend Donald Blake.
How cool would it be for Thor to be summoned via Blake hitting his cane on the ground!
And what actor should play him? DiCaprio?
I guess they feel to this point that TIH was a good rebound from the previous film, but not as effective as Batman Begins was, with it's drastic change in style. They knew the Avengers film was coming with Hulk in it, so it seems they decided to sit back and re-evaluate Hulk after Avengers is released.
Prior to the great Marvel movie offensive that really began in 2000 with X-Men (Blade in 1998 was a safe genre experiment), Hulk and Spider Man were the two best known Marvel heroes to non-comic fans in pop culture, thanks to their various TV series. So even trying to reclaim Hulk after Ang Lee's mixed artistic bag of a film, to see him being exceeded at the box office by every other lesser-known Avenger character has to be a message to Marvel of some kind. All of the other films got more critical acclaim as well; Captain America had to overcome his name in the title alone - to succeed in other countries - and manged to do so.
The jury is still out on Hulk's cinematic appeal; he sits in the middle of things, ahead perhaps of the Fantastic Four; certainly farther ahead in appeal than Punisher, Ghost Rider and Daredevil. We'll see if Avengers gives him the proper forum at last.
Originally posted by roughrider
I guess they feel to this point that TIH was a good rebound from the previous film, but not as effective as Batman Begins was, with it's drastic change in style. They knew the Avengers film was coming with Hulk in it, so it seems they decided to sit back and re-evaluate Hulk after Avengers is released.Prior to the great Marvel movie offensive that really began in 2000 with X-Men (Blade in 1998 was a safe genre experiment), Hulk and Spider Man were the two best known Marvel heroes to non-comic fans in pop culture, thanks to their various TV series. So even trying to reclaim Hulk after Ang Lee's mixed artistic bag of a film, to see him being exceeded at the box office by every other lesser-known Avenger character has to be a message to Marvel of some kind. All of the other films got more critical acclaim as well; Captain America had to overcome his name in the title alone - to succeed in other countries - and manged to do so.
The jury is still out on Hulk's cinematic appeal; he sits in the middle of things, ahead perhaps of the Fantastic Four; certainly farther ahead in appeal than Punisher, Ghost Rider and Daredevil. We'll see if Avengers gives him the proper forum at last.
Personally, I really enoyed TIH. It's my 2nd favorite of the Avenger movies behind Thor. (The order for me goes: Thor, TIH, IM, IM2, CA) I really don't understand why people didn't like it. That movie ties together so much of the Avengers universe. It has The Hulk, Stark, and Captain America all over it. I personally preferred the way the SSS worked on Blonsky the first time than what we saw on Captain America.
Regardless, that's the beauty of these movies, some people will prefer one hero over the other, with most being fans of the Ironman movies, so everyone will have a reason to go watch The Avengers.
Originally posted by SpaceMonkey
Personally, I really enoyed TIH.
Same here 👆
Originally posted by SpaceMonkey
It's my 2nd favorite of the Avenger movies behind Thor.
Well my fav is definetely the first IM. But second is between Thor and TIH. Cant decide which I preffered of those 2.
Originally posted by SpaceMonkey
I really don't understand why people didn't like it.
Lol Im still trying to figure out who didn't like it! Critics I guess. But I really couldn't give a damn what critics think. I mean just look at their name "Critics!"
If you go to IMDB where movie fans vote TIH has the same rating as Cap (7/10) and is just barely below Thor and IM2 (7.1/10).. Of course IM1 is a fair bit ahead on like 7.9 or 8.
I preferred '03 Hulk to TIH. I didn't like Ed Norton as Bruce Banner (He's too smarmy) and a lot of the movie just seemed really forgettable to me. '03 Hulk suffered from a really weak villain and was a bit slow at times, but I really liked the psychological exploration of Bruce's psyche, and I also think that movie did a better job of showcasing the Hulk's strength and durability. Also, the fight scenes with the helicopters and tanks were more exciting to me than TIH's fight with A-Bomb.
I thought TIH was ok, but I dont feel he was portrayed as strong as he needed to be. Movie Thor had more impressive feats. The Hulk ripped aprt a car and beat the Abomination with it and thats about it. I just wish they had him do something crazy, but oh well.
Here's my Avengers movie list-
1. IM - not only the best Avenger based movie, but one of the best comic book movies ever. Downey is Stark.
2. Thor - Entertaining and Asgard was really done right. Thor was portrayed ok (not perfect, but it worked) and he seemed powerful. Decent flick.
3. TIH - It was fun and I thought Norton was alright as Banner. Like I said, just wish the Hulk was portrayed a bit stronger. Wasnt great, but a step up from the previous Hulk film.
4. Captain America - I was hoping for more, but it wasnt terrible. I seriously think I was suffering from comic book movie overload by the time it came out though. Thor and X-Men: First Class was out not to long before this was released and they were both better films. Again, not bad, but could have been better.
Looking forward to the Avengers movie.
To me Hulk is just not a very interesting character. As a "superhero", he is incredibly one-dimensional, he solves all his problems by punching them. He also doesn't stand for much either as a character.
In all the Hulk movies, when they are just having dialogue I don't think people really give a crap about his "struggles" or however they want to make the character 'deep', its just not there.
Its not a surprise characters like Spider-man, Batman, Iron Man and X-men are far more appealing. They are far more versatile in terms of capabilities, and can drive a complex plot that I cannot see the Hulk doing.
Even in the comics, I find Hulk boring. Eventually, it will end by him punching his opponent's lights out because he got mad enough, every time. That is pretty much what the Hulk is limited to, and will never get close to the complexity or sophistication in terms of character and plot compared to something like Batman.
His powers are also boring too IMO. A character apparently on such a high tier (according to some), and his only weapon is his fists? That is lame. It is not even logically viable that he is supposedly in the league of the likes of Thor and Silver Surfer if they weren't jobbing. Heck he can't even hit them if they stay in the air. This type of PIS, I simply can't tolerate. Now I think if Hulk's stats were dramatically lowered (keep his uber healing factor), and given appropriate enemies, like X-men characters for example, then he would be more interesting.
Originally posted by Placidity
Even in the comics, I find Hulk boring. Eventually, it will end by him punching his opponent's lights out because he got mad enough, every time. That is pretty much what the Hulk is limited to, and will never get close to the complexity or sophistication in terms of character and plot compared to something like Batman.
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And also alot of the time he just wants to be left alone hell in the new series he's living underground with the moloids.
If they could only do Hulk the way he was written by Peter David, making him articulate and darkly funny...
That would mean ditching the CG version and going back to some large guy in makeup; use camera tricks like we saw in Lord Of the Rings or Thor to scale him up to 8-9 feet. Look at how well Colm Feore acted as Laufey, a normal sized man playing a frost giant.
Hulk may look convincing on screen, but he hasn't acted as of yet.