Originally posted by Enyalus
That's bull. A lot of the posters here want on panel statements. Yet those same posters feel the need to blow off anyone who asks for it from them. The 22000 miles thing was stated, by...Wonder Woman, I think, in a JLA book. In 2000 or 2001, I believe.(Someone correct me if that's inaccurate.)
The point is that not everything needs to be stated for us to have a idea of what the hell we are talking about. I gave him a example of Supes h2h speed,bullrushing speed yet it's stilll ignored. I asked fangirl a example of Diana's hsh speed, after 5 post or so she showed it and proved her case and I conceded and agreed. There isn't arguing on-panel feat..simpel as that.
Ok. Now I have to school people On Superman And Wonder Woman's strength. get ready for a ride.
I've always stated that the Earth's orbit is held in place by the Solar System. Here is Proof.
http://www.mcwdn.org/SPACE/SolarSystem.html
Now Just chew on that while I calcuate the gravitational force that is exerted on the earth to keep it in orbit. may take me a minute.
Originally posted by fangirl101
Ok. Now I have to school people On Superman And Wonder Woman's strength. get ready for a ride.I've always stated that the Earth's orbit is held in place by the Solar System. Here is Proof.
http://www.mcwdn.org/SPACE/SolarSystem.htmlNow Just chew on that while I calcuate the gravitational force that is exerted on the earth to keep it in orbit. may take me a minute.
Originally posted by fangirl101
Ok. Now I have to school people On Superman And Wonder Woman's strength. get ready for a ride.I've always stated that the Earth's orbit is held in place by the Solar System. Here is Proof.
http://www.mcwdn.org/SPACE/SolarSystem.htmlNow Just chew on that while I calcuate the gravitational force that is exerted on the earth to keep it in orbit. may take me a minute.
Disregard my emails Im trying to learn how to load scanners that Im making.
Ok. So what I've found is that there is a study called Gravitational and Celestial Mechanics. Some of you smarties probably already knew this. Anyway. So When When Wonder Woman and Superman and Martian Manhunter briefly held the earth in her orbit, they accomplished a remarkable feat of Strength and durability.
It's quite crazy. And there are all kinds of Equations that I'm not qualified to decipher. But there is something called the universal law that explains why every planet and asteroid and moon in the solar system keeps every other planet in orbit, along with the sun.
I'll try to find a site that can help me put it in some kind of numeric force. Needless to say, they for a brief instant, took the job of the Solar System's Gravity mechanic. That is a feat far beyond moving any planet.
Have to break it down in parts. The sun alone, has a gravity influence that Extends One light year away. So Imagine all that power alone holding the earth in orbit. Something Supers, Diana, and MM did briefly. Still trying to find someone who can put it in a laymen's number instead of equations that boggle the mind.
http://www.universetoday.com/guide-to-space/the-sun/gravity-of-the-sun/
Originally posted by Enyalus
Keeping one planet in its orbit is now greater than ripping a planet out of its orbit and moving it now?Naw.
Originally posted by fangirl101
It's much easier to explosively alter a planets orbit. A big enough asteroid or comet can do that. They don't have the force to hold a planet in orbit tho. That takes an entire system to do. Try again.
*sighs* No, look. Gravity is gravity. And holding a planet in its orbit is not greater than ripping it out of its orbit to move it. According to you, one requires equaling the entire solar system's force. The other requires surpassing it.
Earth, for instance, was struck by a Mars-sized asteroid 4.5 billion years ago, which ended up creating the moon. Yet, Earth's orbit around the sun is still the same, save for the small amount that the moon's gravity now throws it off.
Besides, you were the one saying group feats do not count. Now you're using a feat with Diana, J'onn, and Kal in it? Stop the double standards.
Originally posted by Enyalus
*sighs* No, look. Gravity is gravity. And holding a planet in its orbit is not greater than ripping it out of its orbit to move it. According to you, one requires equaling the entire solar system's force. The other requires surpassing it.Earth, for instance, was struck by a Mars-sized asteroid 4.5 billion years ago, which ended up creating the moon. Yet, Earth's orbit around the sun is still the same, save for the small amount that the moon's gravity now throws it off.
Besides, you were the one saying group feats do not count. Now you're using a feat with Diana, J'onn, and Kal in it? Stop the double standards.
You since Caver is so obessed over what is stated in the narrative..there is a actuall scan where it states that Supes can move the planet.
Originally posted by Enyalus
*sighs* No, look. Gravity is gravity. And holding a planet in its orbit is not greater than ripping it out of its orbit to move it. According to you, one requires equaling the entire solar system's force. The other requires surpassing it.Earth, for instance, was struck by a Mars-sized asteroid 4.5 billion years ago, which ended up creating the moon. Yet, Earth's orbit around the sun is still the same, save for the small amount that the moon's gravity now throws it off.
Besides, you were the one saying group feats do not count. Now you're using a feat with Diana, J'onn, and Kal in it? Stop the double standards.
Originally posted by fangirl101
And Actually, you just hit the nail on the head, Something massive hit the earth and the earth still didn't move. It only create the moon. In order to keep that kind of orbit takes far more power than you can imagine.
And in order to tear it out of orbit and move it, like Gladiator and Superboy Prime are capable of doing, it takes even more..
Originally posted by Enyalus
And in order to tear it out of orbit and move it, like Gladiator and Superboy Prime are capable of doing, it takes even more..
Originally posted by fangirl101
No. It takes a quick jolt. To hold it in orbit takes the power of the solar systems gravity well. It only takes speed and impact to move a planet out of orbit. something a large asteroid can do. But a large asteriod can't generate enough force to pull the planet out of orbit just by passing by. It has to impact it. which adds a different kind of force into the equation.
You're wrong. A Mars sized asteroid didn't knock the Earth out of it's orbit. And yes, you have to impact the planet in order to knock it from its orbit, and thus move it. Requiring a vastly greater amount of force than to simply keep it in the same orbit. You're overpowering the gravitational force that is already in place.
Originally posted by EnyalusYou are using speed to knock the earth out of orbit. In combination with Durability. NOT Strength. Hence why the feat of holding the earth in orbit is greater.
You're wrong. A Mars sized asteroid didn't knock the Earth out of it's orbit. And yes, you have to impact the planet in order to knock it from its orbit, and thus move it. Requiring a vastly greater amount of force than to simply keep it in the same orbit. You're overpowering the gravitational force that is already in place.
Originally posted by fangirl101
You are using speed to knock the earth out of orbit. In combination with Durability. NOT Strength. Hence why the feat of holding the earth in orbit is greater.
A bird flying into the window of a house is still going to get messed the hell up. Of course moving a planet takes strength.
Originally posted by fangirl101
But an indestructible bird going light speed into a house made of andamantium is going to move the house. Based purely upon durability and speed.
Okay...So, PC Superboy's feat of pulling planets is no big deal. And the holding the planet in place feat isn't, either, because it's taking two other people to do it besides Superman, so is also invalidated. What else ya got?