Professor X vs. Master Yoda

^Sidious mind****ed the entire Order in open view for over ten years and than brainwashed most of the galaxy into not believing in Jedi for over 20. And that's only in the movies.

When exactly did he do that in the movie???

In the prequals. He clouded the Orders minds so that they would never sense his precense.

Yep. when he looked like a "more-human looking Palpatine" for all that time.

When he "couldnt hold it anylonger" due to his own fed back force lighting courtesy of mace. His true appearance was revealed.

The second part im not so sure about.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
In the prequals. He clouded the Orders minds so that they would never sense his presense.

What???

Episode I, II, III, IV, V, VI ????

And if he did that in the movie then it shows that the Jedies (Yoda being one of them) is capable of being manipulated by Xavier.

^Yeah, that is my own assumption. It explains a lot of bridging issues between each trilogy.

Good one, Utrigita.

But logically speaking, the Jedi being blind to the darkside of the force wont be a problem unless Xavier uses the darkside also.

I must admit that I'm not quiet getting what you guys are trying to say, is it:

1. That Sideous used the Dark Side of the Force to cloud his own force potential (which speaking beyond the movies Sideous wouldn't be the first to do) which really has nothing to do with Telepathy as Xavier uses it from my point of view.

2. Sideous used the dark side of the Force to perform telepathy (mind altering if you like) on the Jedies that didn't notice it.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Good one, Utrigita.

But logically speaking, the Jedi being blind to the darkside of the force wont be a problem unless Xavier uses the darkside also.

if you're going to use the "a power won't work because if from a different franchise/universe" angle, then the same can be said for Xavier and the Force not working on him.

In short, don't pull an RJ, please.

If the Force works on Xavier, then Yoda's mind is susceptible to Xavier's mind powers.

^Yes. He was the most powerful Force user at that point in time.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
^Yeah, that is my own assumption. It explains a lot of bridging issues between each trilogy.

My guess is that by episode 4, it will actually be just Obi Wan and Yoda...
I bet that the live action series'll show a quite a few Jedi getting taken out. Helping bridge the gap you speak of.

Anakin and Palpatine wont know about Yoda, and they both assume Kenobi died until Kenobi turns up on the Death Star...

Originally posted by Robtard
if you're going to use the "a power won't work because if from a different franchise/universe" angle, then the same can be said for Xavier and the Force not working on him.

In short, don't pull an RJ, please.

If the Force works on Xavier, then Yoda's mind is susceptible to Xavier's mind powers.

LOL

That kinda was a given, the mutuality of that angle..
Aint trying to gimp noone here.

Ive already said what I believe Yoda's best bets to be, and that generally Xavier would win.
So I see his not being a force user as a lesser/side issue.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
My guess is that by episode 4, it will actually be just Obi Wan and Yoda...
I bet that the live action series'll show a quite a few Jedi getting taken out. Helping bridge the gap you speak of.

Anakin and Palpatine wont know about Yoda, and they both assume Kenobi died until Kenobi turns up on the Death Star...

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
LOL

That kinda was a given, the mutuality of that angle..
Aint trying to gimp noone here.

Ive already said what I believe Yoda's best bets to be, and that generally Xavier would win.
So I see his not being a force user as a lesser/side issue.

Wasn't trying to shit on you, sorry if you took it that way, my bad.

Just gets tiring constantly debating the SW people (not you) when they're unable to stick to basic forum rules, ie "seen in the movies".

Hey no probs.

I understand.

EU has overinflated/damaged the perception of Jedi capability in the mind of the populous, it would seem. 😉

If movie Yoda was as is in the Clone Wars cartoon they first put out, I could understand a lot of the assertions. But as he isnt... I guess I cant.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Hey no probs.

I understand.

EU has overinflated/damaged the perception of Jedi capability in the mind of the populous without a doubt, it would seem. 😉

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
No it hasn't, it expands upon what is in the movies. Many Force powers can't be properly shown or explained on film because it would ruin the pacing of the film, or the tech wasn't there at the time.

That's just a silly excuse, Ep 1-3 was loaded with top-grade CGI.

Elaborate...?

Besides which, if Yoda could any of that stuff he did to the droid landing craft attacking Coruscant in the last parts of vol 2 of Clone Wars,
he'd never have lost the fight to the emporer.

Would Mace Windu have lost to the Emporer if he was as powerful as he was depicted in the Dantooine episode of the clone wars...? Nope.
Now dont get me wrong. I love all that, its very very cool.

But is it anything like exhibited by Yoda in the movies...? no.

Originally posted by Robtard
Wasn't trying to shit on you, sorry if you took it that way, my bad.

Just gets tiring constantly debating the SW people (not you) when they're unable to stick to basic forum rules, ie "seen in the movies".

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Originally posted by Utrigita
So why are we discussing the lightsaber? iirc Yoda has never showed that he was capable of lifting, activating and directing the saber towards a opponent using only the force

I don't know man. I think it's safe to assume that he can if he wanted to. He can lift massive objects and hurl them like a ball.