Emma Frost vs Magneto

Started by ExodusCloak19 pages
Originally posted by batdude123
Nah.

She could if you're taking the inconsistency of his defences by telepathy into account.

What inconsistency?

Originally posted by Mindset
What inconsistency?

Jean and Xavier have both gotten through his defences. In fact Jean got past his psi-defences in that scan Batdude just posted. Xavier got him in God Loves, Man Kills.

I don't see it.

Got scans?

Originally posted by Mindset
I don't see it.

Got scans?

Yes give me a 30 seconds.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
She could if you're taking the inconsistency of his defences by telepathy into account.

In spite of more evidence that points to him being telepathically resistant and having a helmet that blocks all telepathy?

Nah.

Also, considering his brain works 15.5x that of a normal human, he'd get the first attack off in every fight.

Is Magneto's telepathy resistance more of a passive skill or due in part to his power set? Or is it a combination of both?

Also Jean tricks him into thinking he's beaten Dazzler in those scans Batdude posted.

Originally posted by batdude123
In spite of more evidence that points to him being telepathically resistant and having a helmet that blocks all telepathy?

Nah.

Average showings not highest showings. And that's why she gets 1.

Originally posted by batdude123

Also, considering his brain works 15.5x that of a normal human, he'd get the first attack off in every fight.

Telepaths think and process a life time of information at incredible speeds. The Cuckoos are faster then that and Emma's never had a problem putting them in their place.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Average showings not highest showings. And that's why she gets 1.

I'm not talking about his highest showings.

On average, he's portrayed as being telepathically resistant.

^ truth

Originally posted by batdude123
I'm not talking about his highest showings.

On average, he's portrayed as being telepathically resistant.

Exactly, 90% of the time he's resistant, the other 10% not so much. And at the moment under Fractions pen it's his helmet that is saving his ass not his natural resistance as demonstrated in the first issue of Nation X.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Telepaths think and process a life time of information at incredible speeds. The Cuckoos are faster then that and Emma's never had a problem putting them in their place.

Not the same thing.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Exactly, 90% of the time he's resistant, the other 10% not so much. And at the moment under Fractions pen it's his helmet that is saving his ass not his natural resistance as demonstrated in the first issue of Nation X.

Lulz.

Originally posted by batdude123
Not the same thing.

The Cuckoos and Kid Omega are much, much faster then Magneto. And Magneto has never used those abilities to demonstrate having a speed advantage over the X-Men during a fight on average. In fact the majority of the time they have no problem keeping up with him. I helped you make that Respect Thread remember?

Originally posted by batdude123

Lulz.

Hey don't look at me, write to Fraction.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Is Magneto's telepathy resistance more of a passive skill or due in part to his power set? Or is it a combination of both?

It's a lot of things:

Magneto is a powerful psychic/latent psychic.
Magneto has an indominable will.
Magneto has a natural resistance due to his electromagnetic powers.
Magneto has a helmet that protects him.

Depending on the writer he either has all of them, at least one of them or none of them.

It's just like his Forcefield. I'm glad Batdude hasn't read the latest issue of Cyclops Origins I haven't posted it in the Cyke respect thread on purpose.

Only a stupid writer would not acknowledge any of them since they are all well established.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
The Cuckoos and Kid Omega are much, much faster then Magneto. And Magneto has never used those abilities to demonstrate having a speed advantage over the X-Men during a fight on average. In fact the majority of the time they have no problem keeping up with him. I helped you make that Respect Thread remember?

Oh, was that you? Yes, of course I remember.

But when you start talking about how Emma could accomplish stuff like this...

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/X-Men113-04.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/X-Men113-05.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/X-Men113-11.jpg

... that's when I take issue.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Hey don't look at me, write to Fraction.

I was laughing at your reasoning.

Originally posted by Mindset
Only a stupid writer would not acknowledge any of them since they are all well established.

Not the first one it's quite rare to get any writer referring to that, the second one doesn't mean much because everyone and their mother has an indominable will and they still get dominated. The third is forgetten about because of the Movie thing that brought in TP resistant helmet.

Originally posted by batdude123
Oh, was that you? Yes, of course I remember.

But when you start talking about how Emma could accomplish stuff like this...

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/X-Men113-04.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/X-Men113-05.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/X-Men113-11.jpg

... that's when I take issue.

I was laughing at your reasoning.

You are talking about the one instance I was referring to. In fact there's a HoM of M Quicksilver one too. On average he's not shown to have a speed advantage.

Oh and Northstar had a pretty bad day in Utopia/DA Exodus too. Dark Beast got him.

They have all been well established.

Being brought up multiple times in the characters history = well established.

Originally posted by Mindset
They have all been well established.

Being brought up multiple times in the characters history = well established.

This.

Originally posted by Mindset
They have all been well established.

Being brought up multiple times in the characters history = well established.

Nope, him being psychic has been forgotten about.

The other stuff is on and off again but more on then off which is why I said she could get 1 if that is taken into account.

As for natural resistance you have one issue saying he has it and in another Xavier can attack him just fine like UXM 515 or block him from using his powers in Eve of Destrucion (These are recent this decade btw). And in Morrisons run it was all about the helmet. And yes Xorn is retconned back to being Magneto now.

It's the very nature of the X-Books. Emma can use TP in Diamond then she can't. Jean is Phoenix then she isn't. Magneto is Xorn, then he isn't now he is. "tis why it's hard for people to get into reading the X-Men.