Originally posted by shiv
Sorry to burst your bubble and everythingBut She gets ZER O/10.
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Full capacity means that they will use whatever powers they have available at their full disposal. But if those powers are inconsistent or were used only once 40 years ago then that's when the average comes in.
Magneto has caught Northstar with his bare hands. Magneto has astral projected and read minds before. Magneto's astral projection has downed Jean before. Magneto has travelled across a solar system/s on a beam of magnetic energy to Earth. Xavier used his telepathy on a solar system/s range depending on how far the Stranger was yet the very same Xavier (During the 60's) has also had problems reading something in a 2 mile distance.
Xavier has used telekinesis to shield himself from a ceiling. He also stated that he used his telekinesis to mess with a machine. Then thre's the matter of Emma's telekinesis?
Same goes for Storms "natural resistance" which wasn't there in Agents of Atlas vs. X-Men and Sisterhood. Angels healing factor has been forgotten.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Nope, him being psychic has been forgotten about.The other stuff is on and off again but more on then off which is why I said she could get 1 if that is taken into account.
As for natural resistance you have one issue saying he has it and in another Xavier can attack him just fine like UXM 515 or block him from using his powers in Eve of Destrucion (These are recent this decade btw). And in Morrisons run it was all about the helmet. And yes Xorn is retconned back to being Magneto now.
It's the very nature of the X-Books. Emma can use TP in Diamond then she can't. Jean is Phoenix then she isn't. Magneto is Xorn, then he isn't now he is. "tis why it's hard for people to get into reading the X-Men.
If something is the case 90% of the time (as per your own words) then it's firmly established.
That doesn't mean that we give Emma a pity win out of 10 because of stupid writing.
Originally posted by batdude123
If something is the case 90% of the time (as per your own words) then it's firmly established.That doesn't mean that we give Emma a pity win out of 10 because of stupid writing.
It's a scale out of 10 it's not a one 1 and 0 scale.
It's silly writing according to yourself. And you misunderstand. It's established that he's resistant or immune. But it's not clear as to how he's resistant.
Forget about this thread and just think. Magnetos natural resistance hasn't come up in the last 13 years. In fact Esme, Jean and Xavier getting him twice in this last decade would prove otherwise and there hasn't been a showing in the last 10 years to counter that.
Throughout the 60's it was his psychic powers that protected him but that was forgotten about. In fact I must check X-Men Mythos to see whether Xavier got him then too.
And during those twenty years when he had natural resistance it was on and off again. And you know in this span of time there's about 5 times where his natural resistance has helped him here and about 3 times where it hasn't.
Magnetos helmet protecting him from TP is a new thing that was established 10 years ago when the movie came out.
So yes he can block telepathy, but how exactly? His natural defences , will power or Psychic powers? Did not help him again Esme, Jean, or Xavier.
His helmet? Sure lets take his helmet. But if you want to go with that then as established in the last 13 years Mags powers, will power and psychic powers don't do shit to stop telepathy. And if it's current Magneto he ends up dying of exhaustion.
Now back to the thread. If you don't want to go by the average then:
Which version of Magneto do you want to use? Because Emma can get 0, 1 or 10 depending on the one you pick. There's the 60's and 70's version too but I'm too lazy to go back and count.
The one with 0 = Morrison runs Magneto. TP-proof helmet, no natural defence against telepathy meaning that say he came across a psychic with a powerset to remove that helmet Mags would go down every single time.
1 = The Average.
10 = Current Magneto who would exhaust himself to death.
If you're not going by the average how do you determine what his powers are? You can't pick and choose which of his powers blocks telepathy when it suits the debate. Here it would be his helmet....in a MM thread it'd be his helmet and his natural defences which hasn't been there for the last 13 years.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
It's a scale out of 10 it's not a one 1 and 0 scale.It's silly writing according to yourself. And you misunderstand. It's established that he's resistant or immune. But it's not clear as to how he's resistant.
Forget about this thread and just think. Magnetos natural resistance hasn't come up in the last 13 years. In fact Esme, Jean and Xavier getting him twice in this last decade would prove otherwise and there hasn't been a showing in the last 10 years to counter that.
Throughout the 60's it was his psychic powers that protected him but that was forgotten about. In fact I must check X-Men Mythos to see whether Xavier got him then too.
And during those twenty years when he had natural resistance it was on and off again. And you know in this span of time there's about 5 times where his natural resistance has helped him here and about 3 times where it hasn't.
Magnetos helmet protecting him from TP is a new thing that was established 10 years ago when the movie came out.
So yes he can block telepathy, but how exactly? His natural defences , will power or Psychic powers? Did not help him again Esme, Jean, or Xavier.
His helmet? Sure lets take his helmet. But if you want to go with that then as established in the last 13 years Mags powers, will power and psychic powers don't do shit to stop telepathy. And if it's current Magneto he ends up dying of exhaustion.
Now back to the thread. If you don't want to go by the average then:
Which version of Magneto do you want to use? Because Emma can get 0, 1 or 10 depending on the one you pick. There's the 60's and 70's version too but I'm too lazy to go back and count.
The one with 0 = Morrison runs Magneto. TP-proof helmet, no natural defence against telepathy meaning that say he came across a psychic with a powerset to remove that helmet Mags would go down every single time.
1 = The Average.
10 = Current Magneto who would exhaust himself to death.
If you're not going by the average how do you determine what his powers are? You can't pick and choose which of his powers blocks telepathy when it suits the debate. Here it would be his helmet....in a MM thread it'd be his helmet and his natural defences which hasn't been there for the last 13 years.
Obviously I'm not referring to current Magneto.
And if we go by what you deem to be the "average" Magneto, then there are plenty more instances where he shows natural telepathic resistance then not. Hence it being established that Pre-Morrison run Magneto had great telepathic resistance. He's even used his powers to inhibit the usage of telepathy before against Jean and Xavier, IIRC.
This was a pretty moot rant you just went on, and it has nothing to do with my point.
In your own words: "Exactly, 90% of the time he's resistant, the other 10% not so much."
That being the case, it's absolutely ridiculous to give Emma a pity win out of 10 based on 10% of his showings that completely contradicts the heavy majority of his showings (90% of the time, as you stated).
Any version you want to use outside of current Magneto wins 10/10.
Originally posted by redhotrash
If someone used TK to try and remove his helmet, couldnt he use his magnetic powers to keep it on?
Of course, and it's a ridiculous argument to begin with. It falls under the assumption that Mags just stands there and does nothing while his helmet is being removed from his head and then, following that, is mindraped.
Originally posted by batdude123
[B]Obviously I'm not referring to current Magneto.And if we go by what you deem to be the "average" Magneto, then there are plenty more instances where he shows natural telepathic resistance then not. Hence it being established that Pre-Morrison run Magneto had great telepathic resistance. He's even used his powers to inhibit the usage of telepathy before against Jean and Xavier, IIRC.
This was a pretty moot rant you just went on, and it has nothing to do with my point.
In your own words: "Exactly, 90% of the time he's resistant, the other 10% not so much.
Sigh* it's not moot because, there aren't as many as you'd like to think regarding his natural resistance. And there are enough instances too counteract those. He ambushed them blocked the X-Mens mutant powers by some blood trick. And Exodus was there in the background.
90% of the time he's resistant but again you're missing the point. How is he resistant?
That being the case, it's absolutely ridiculous to give Emma a pity win out of 10 based on 10% of his showings that completely contradicts the heavy majority of his showings (90% of the time, as you stated).
It's not pity, because it's not consistent. You chose a version of Magneto that hasn't been around in 13 years possibly. You have people on these boards yelling at each other, calling a feat pis or stupid. It's stops being stupid when you can find 10+ instances of said incident.
Any version you want to use outside of current Magneto wins 10/10.
I'd like to know for future reference does the Magneto you use have TP-resistant helmet too?
Magneto's power level's vary. It's the same with Emma, but she's always been marked as one of the most powerful telepaths. Current Magneto she would have no trouble beating. Other versions would be more trouble. I think it kind of hinges on the helmet. If he has it on, a lot of trouble for emma. If it's not on, a lot of trouble for Magneto.