Originally posted by Apolloknightbut wouldn't you rationalize by assuming it had more to do with something like the viewers eyes or the character's stealth or some other factor rather then saying he or she possess super speed sufficient enough to move faster than the human eye?
Honestly, I can think of a handful of "Peak" Humans that have moved fast enough that human eyes couldn't track. In a few cases the human eyes happened to belong to trained soldiers and the such.
Originally posted by Battlehammerwhere is elektra stated to have superhuman speed?
elektra has superhuman speed.yes elektra one of the best fighters even in the top tier class.
do you really believe she is so good that a top tier like tasky is nothing to her? because if she is i'd think she could take anyone and everyone.
Originally posted by namorsubby
i ask again, do you feel you have to personally attack me to debate effectively?so to you she's superhumanly durable then right? fact is, she isn't.
btw, it's not more than what ted has shown, but i still have logic enough to refrain from calling him superdurable. like i said, you didn't review the thread as well as you lead me to believe earlier.
No. It's just you are being very silly. My points however still stand.
Not just to me. To the writers of the story and Marvel. Stop being so silly. Just becuase you don't like a feat, it doesn't make it invalid. Don't start quoting bios again or I will mark you down as an even bigger fanboy than I already think you are.Lol. I knew you would do this.
Show us then.
Originally posted by namorsubby
but wouldn't you rationalize by assuming it had more to do with something like the viewers eyes or the character's stealth or some other factor rather then saying he or she possess super speed sufficient enough to move faster than the human eye?
If that were the case then yes, but in the few I am aware of it happened at the beginning/during combat.
Originally posted by namorsubby
where is elektra stated to have sueprhuman speed?do you really believe she is so good that a top tier like tasky is nothing to her? because if she is i'd think she could take anyone and everyone.
tasky not nothing to her, but she clearly more skilled.
I try and get feats, I just remeber there no respectet thread for her or black widow or the thunder cat and that needs to change.
Originally posted by Warrior18show you what?
No. It's justt you are being very silly. My points however still stand.Not to me. To the writers of the story and Marvel. Stop being so silly. Just becuase you don't like a feat, it doesn't make it invalid. Don't start quoting bios again or I will mark you down as an even bigger fanboy than I already think you are.Lol. I knew you would do this.
Shows us then.
you still continue to personally attack me. for what reason? do you not feel you're being effective enough just debating logically?
you're putting words in those writers mouths. who's to say that they intented to say that elektra has superhuman durability. and it has nothing to do with my so called "denial" of a feat. it is a well-established fact that elektra is not superhuman durable. would you rather believe one feat that seems to say otherwise in your mind?
Originally posted by Warrior18you stated one feat that i haven't even seen. how am i supposed to known what it actually depicts or that it really meant to portray the idea that elektra is a superspeedster? why then would you say i am in denial?
Trust me. Unless it says so in a bio, namorsubby won't accept it. lol
remember, these are your words concerning the scan. maybe you're misinterpreting it.
Originally posted by namorsubby
show you what?you still continue to personally attack me. for what reason? do you not feel you're being effective enough just debating logically?
you're putting words in those writers mouths. who's to say that they intented to say that elektra has superhuman durability. and it has nothing to do with my so called "denial" of a feat. it is a well-established fact that elektra is not superhuman durable. would you rather believe one feat that [b]seems
to say otherwise in your mind? [/B]
Ted matching Elektra's durability.
Lol. Pot kettle son.
WTF! Mega facepalm. Elektra got smashed around by superskrulls with Ben Grimm's powers. What does that say to you? Where is it a fact? BIOS?
Stop being obsessed with definitions and go by what is on panel.
Meh, I hate the whole "peak" human mumbo jumbo. How fast is a peak human?
We can not logically say how fast a peak human is because by marvels definition a Peak Human is as strong/fast/smart as a human will EVER be. The maximum of human potential.
We; in real life have not reached our max potential, world records are still falling, people are getting smarter, faster etc. We have to understand that in comics, a Peak human represents the epitome of human perfection, so how can we put a limit on what a Peak human can or can't do.
So who decides then if not us?
The writers....and so it is what it is.
Originally posted by Apolloknightpeak human in comics is basically meta-human
Meh, I hate the whole "peak" human mumbo jumbo. How fast is a peak human?We can not logically say how fast a peak human is because by marvels definition a Peak Human is as strong/fast/smart as a human will [b]EVER
. The maximum of human potential.We; in real life have not reached our max potential, world records are still falling, people are getting smarter, faster etc. We have to understand that in comics, a Peak human represents the epitome of human perfection, so how can we put a limit on what a Peak human can or can't do.
So who decides then if not us?
The writers....and so it is what it is. [/B]
peak human is something humans can't ever achieve IRL...I don't care how much steroids you take
Originally posted by namorsubby
you stated one feat that i haven't even seen. how am i supposed to known what it actually depicts or that it really meant to portray the idea that elektra is a superspeedster? why then would you say i am in denial?remember, these are [b]your
words concerning the scan. maybe you're misinterpreting it. [/B]
Mighty Avengers #16
Don't have a scanner.
In short 1.she gets hurled against a wall by superskrull impersonating her though it has Thing/Ghost rider/beams from eyes powers.
2.Kills skrull then another. Gets zapped by another one(cyclops style beams) on the chin and back hard.kills it.
3. Smacked on the back of the head by another. It took her totally by surprise and belted her full on. It is also a Thing/Colossus skrull.It belts her again (possibly) then she stands up in fighting position. It hits her a final time and then she stays down in a pool of blood.
Her possibly surviving the assault adds to the feat.
Originally posted by Warrior18you simply have been convinced that elektra has superhuman durability from that one feat. does she exhibit this durability on a regular cosistent basis? is she known to have superhuman durability? is it established. certainly not.
Ted matching Elektra's durability.Lol. Pot kettle son.
WTF! Mega facepalm. Elektra got smashed around by superskrulls with Ben Grimm's powers. What does that say to you? Where is it a fact? BIOS?
Stop being obsessed with definitions and go by what is on panel.
same goes for her so called "superspeed".
you can't look at one feat, intepret it your way, and expect someone to change what a character's established limitations/abilities are or to acknowledge your point of view without question.
Originally posted by namorsubby
you simply have been convinced that elektra has superhuman durability from that one feat. does she exhibit this durability on a regular cosistent basis? is shown known to have superhuman durability? is it established. certainly not.same goes for her so called "superspeed".
you can't look at one feat, intepret it your way, and expect someone to change what a character's established limitations/abilities are or to acknowledge your point of view without question.
1.That and the whole silver 10 tonne samurai, blocking automatic gunfire with her sais etc.
2."established limitations/abilities" wtf. based on what, bios?. These are her feats. It's what she does. You may not like it........but it's on panel.
Ok. So you are basically denying her feats.
Well done.
so you're saying that elektra is depicted as having considerable superhuman durability and superhuman speed on a regular basis when she makes comic appearances?
btw,you're simply twisting my words.i've been very precise and deliberate in my wording and there is no reason for anyone to mistake it for anything else.......unless it is to further their own crooked agenda.
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i'm getting off. we can continue this later. if it is still needed.
Originally posted by namorsubby
so you're saying that elektra is depicted as having considerable superhuman durability and superhuman speed on a regular basis when she makes comic appearances?btw,you're simply twisting my words.i've been very precise and deliberate in my wording and there is no reason for anyone to mistake it for anything else.......unless it is to further their own crooked agenda.
1. Current Elektra has done the impressive things I say. She has been killed and resurrected goodness knows how many times since she first appeared,she has greatly improved she is clearly somethingelse. It's on panel end of. It's within the scope of her character end of. I fail to see the problem.
2. Not really. To me you just seem to be flat out denying her feats. 🙁
ps. Though impressive her durability is hardly "considerable" when we consider the wider comic universe.