Originally posted by Warrior18
Ted matching Elektra's durability.Lol. Pot kettle son.
lol
6.WC survives an attack from Black Adam, twice(he's actually done it 3 times):
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/hawkman24_pyrate_p15.jpg
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/hawkmanv4_25_pyrate_p08-1.jpg
the third one is the page right after this scan.......ill leave that to the imagination:
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/16-20.jpg
Originally posted by namorsubby
lol6.WC survives an attack from Black Adam, twice(he's actually done it 3 times):
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/hawkman24_pyrate_p15.jpg
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/hawkmanv4_25_pyrate_p08-1.jpgthe third one is the page right after this scan.......ill leave that to the imagination:
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/16-20.jpg
Fair play. Getting smacked up by BA and surviving is good.
Howver that doesn't change the fact that you erroneuosly thought Ted could one shot Elektra.
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Elektra is still faster ,more skilled and probably carries more equipment with her. They can clearly both take punishment.
she has sais and maybe ninja stars. ted has caught those inside of his hand without so much as a flitch. and ted has claws on his hands and feet which can do damage.
why is she more skilled? because she is primarily a MA and wildcat is primarily a boxer?
she's faster probably, i'll give you that, but they don't call him wildcat because he's slow.
i was speaking perhaps a bit too realistic when i mentioned he could one shot her.......but in reality, a peak human male vs a peak human woman? that's a one-shot match
Originally posted by namorsubby
she has sais and maybe ninja stars. ted has caught those inside of his hand without so much as a flitch. and ted has claws on his hands and feet which can do damage.why is she more skilled? because she is primarily a MA and wildcat is primarily a boxer?
she's faster probably, i'll give you that, but they don't call him wildcat because he's slow.
i was speaking perhaps a bit too realistic when i mentioned he could one shot her.......but in reality, a peak human male vs a peak human woman? that's a one-shot match
1.In her most recent appearance she had pouches etc around her waist. Could have grenades etc but meh, speculation on my part. He didn't have Elektra launching them at him though........
2.Boxing is a martial art.
3.She is noticiably faster.
4.In reality there is no such thing as a peak human.
Originally posted by namorsubby
2.noticibly? because?
Blocking/deflecting automatic gunfire with her sais. Disarming the Punisher while he was looking straight at her without him even realising it.Catching a knife thrown by her skrull imposter between her two fingers and launching it back in one move.Then of course the fabled moving so fast underwater no one could see her incident. 🙂
Originally posted by namorsubby
grabbing the flash? fighting jay garrick, twice, and Koing him once? dodging point black machine gun fire from hawkman? blocking the super fast/agile creeperedit:
oh and btw, he dodged that point blank machine gun fire from hawkman while pulling an arrow out of his shoulder
1. We both know ridiculous speedsters have been grabbed or tagged by characters (usually street level) infinitely slower than them before. We both know that those kind of feats are PIS or have circumstances behind them. Unless you tell me WC or the others who did this are as fast as such speedsters? We know they aren't, otherwise they wouldn't get tagged by other streetlevelers etc.
Also there are plenty of characters whom we know to be faster than WC,Elektra etc who have probably never tagged speedsters. 😬
2. Dodging gunfire is standard street level procedure. It is an impressive feat none the less. If I was being nit picky I would say Hawkman being mind controlled balanced out with Ted being injured. 😉 Casually deflecting automatic gunfire though is in my opinion something else.
3.I'm not familiar with the Creeper but I doubt he is as fast (nor has the same speed feats) as Logan (or Elektra for that matter). Elektra has managed to survive an encounter with Logan.
All in all again Ted has never displayed the kind of speed Elektra has shown.
All in all again Ted has never displayed the kind of speed Elektra has shown.
why? certainly not because the feats you cited were more imppresive than mine.
street levelers do alot of things they shouldn't do, and i don't generally consider most considerably high end feats to be a real indication of a character's power/formiddability........but if we're gonna compare high end feats we can't try to cancel any out by calling them PIS.
really, should elektra be able to move so fast underwater that no one can see her or reflect bullets with her sais? either way, her stated feats< WC's stated feats.
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1. another street leveler who has grabbed the flash would be?
2. creeper is extremely agile. very similar to spidey concerning speed/agility
Originally posted by namorsubbystreet levelers do alot of things they shouldn't do, and i don't generally consider most considerably high end feats to be a real indication of a character's power/formiddability........but if we're gonna compare high end feats we can't try to cancel any out by calling them PIS.
really, should elektra be able to move so fast underwater that no one can see her or reflect bullets with her sais? either way, her stated feats< WC's stated feats.
1.So you think it's ok for guys like Ted to beat up on or grab someone who can probably throw what,at least 50+ punches a second?
Read my post. It's pure BS for them to do that because it defies even comic book logic. If Ted was that fast he simply wouldn't get tagged by anybody.
By the way the Jay Garrick feat was the one where he was mind controlled yes? Well he fought like an idiot. Grabbing WC and wrestling with him on the ground wtf!
2.Yes she should. She is not normal at all.Girl is walking corpse. She has been resurrected twice! The Hand resurrection alone pretty much grants the devotee supernatural powers, look at Tomi Ishido aka Gorgon.
When she does those feats regularly it is normal for her character. Ted or any one else similar doesn't tag speedsters regularly thus when they do it's BS. 🙂
Originally posted by namorsubby
why? certainly not because the feats you cited were more imppresive than mine.edit:
1. another street leveler who has grabbed the flash would be?2. creeper is extremely agile. very similar to spidey concerning speed/agility
1. I'm pretty sure Batman has tagged another speedster, but not the Flash. I am also sure other guys in marvel have done the same.There is a reason why people don't consider such feats.Either way he had no business doing that. Nor did WC when he grabbed Flash.
2. I know almost nothing of the Creeper. Please post feats. I doubt he is any where near Spidey or Logan's level. Any way is the fight between him and Ted the one in the boxing ring?
Elektra's regular speed feats totally trump Ted's regular feats. Any one can see that.
Originally posted by Warrior18
1. I'm pretty sure Batman has tagged another speedster, but not the Flash. I am also sure other guys in marvel have done the same.There is a reason why people don't consider such feats.Either way he had no business doing that. Nor did WC when he grabbed Flash.2. I know almost nothing of the Creeper. Please post feats. I doubt he is any where near Spidey or Logan's level. Any way is the fight between him and Ted the one in the boxing ring?
Elektra's regular speed feats totally trump Ted's regular feats. Any one can see that.
1. not all speedsters are created equal, these are flashes we're talking about. there's a difference.
2.lol. how can you doubt he is anywhere near any character at all when you don't even know him?...........either way it doesn't matter. disregard that and there's still much more to go by.
3.lol, and her "regular" speed feats trump his because? what would you describe as 'regular", because i'm betting it's the same thing all other worthwhile street-levelers do including wildcat.......things like close range gunfire, beams, etc. either way, she's still human speed, so even if she had the speed advantage, it couldn't be by much.
Originally posted by Warrior18why do you keep trying to push elektra as a superhuman? she's not you know.
1.So you think it's ok for guys like Ted to beat up on or grab someone who can probably throw what,at least 50+ punches a second?
Read my post. It's pure BS for them to do that because it defies even comic book logic. If Ted was that fast he simply wouldn't get tagged by anybody.By the way the Jay Garrick feat was the one where he was mind controlled yes? Well he fought like an idiot. Grabbing WC and wrestling with him on the ground wtf!
2.Yes she should. She is not normal at all.Girl is walking corpse. She has been resurrected twice! The Hand resurrection alone pretty much grants the devotee supernatural powers, look at Tomi Ishido aka Gorgon.
When she does those feats regularly it is normal for her character. Ted or any one else similar doesn't tag speedsters regularly thus when they do it's BS. 🙂
and like i said, it's not neccessarily about what is PIS or not, if you want to compare high end feats, then that's what'll do.
Originally posted by namorsubby
1. not all speedsters are created equal, these are flashes we're talking about. there's a difference.2.lol. how can you doubt he is anywhere near any character at all when you don't even know him?...........either way it doesn't matter. disregard that and there's still much more to go by.
3.lol, and her "regular" speed feats trump his because? what would you describe as 'regular", because i'm betting it's the same thing all other worthwhile street-levelers do including wildcat.......things like close range gunfire, beams, etc. either way, she's still human speed, so even if she had the speed advantage, it couldn't be by much.
1.Yeh and as Ive explained twice already WC doing anything to them is a high end BS feat.
2.Prove me wrong then. Show me scans etc. Because I would be surprised if he has any feats which match theirs.By the way that fight between him and WC looks pre-crisis. Is it?
3.Do street levelers like Wildcat block/deflect automatic gunfire with sais etc? No.
Do street levelers like Wildcat move so fast they appear almost invisible underwater? No.
Do street levelers like Wildcat disarm other street levelers while they are looking straight at them without them knowing? No.
Ted has not done any of these things ergo Elektra noticiably trumps him in speed for the enth time.
Originally posted by Warrior18
1.Yeh and as Ive explained twice already WC doing anything to them is a high end BS feat.2.Prove me wrong then. Show me scans etc. Because I would be surprised if he has any feats which match theirs.By the way that fight between him and WC looks pre-crisis. Is it?
3.Do street levelers like Wildcat block/deflect automatic gunfire with sais etc? No.
Do street levelers like Wildcat move so fast they appear almost invisible underwater? No.
Do street levelers like Wildcat disarm other street levelers while they are looking straight at them without them knowing? No.Ted has not done any of these things ergo Elektra noticiably trumps him in speed for the enth time.
1. you're stating her high end feats. you know that right?
2.like i said i don't care, forget about the creeper.......nothing you've said comes close to topping those "high-end BS feats" that i've so generously provided.
3.ted has done way better. remember, those BS feats? and anyway those are high end unless you can prove she does things like that on a regular basis.
the sad thing is, you comment on me mentioning Wc's high end feats when i'm not even saying one way or the other that they're valid. but you seem to believe that every feat you've cited is completely valid. come on, moving underwater faster than the eye can see? lol, elektra is not a super-speedster. she's human speed, meaning she can't possible trump a peak human like wildcat in that area.
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bwt, i do think elektra is faster, but not so much faster that it's even really too considerable.
Originally posted by namorsubby
why do you keep trying to push elektra as a superhuman? she's not you know.and like i said, it's not neccessarily about what is PIS or not, if you want to compare high end feats, then that's what'll do.
FOR THE TENTH TIME START BASING CHARACTER'S ABILITIES ON WHAT THEY DO REGULARLY ON PANEL AND NOT ON BASELESS TERMS. I AM NOT SHOWING YOU HIGH END FEATS. THIS IS WHAT SHE HAS BEEN SHOWN TO REGULARLY DO.
Sorry for typing in bold but you don't seem to be reading my posts or you are simply being facetious. Elektra's regular speed showings trump Ted's. You are the on bringing up BS high end feats because you know Ted's regular SPEED showings don't match Elektra's. 🙂
Originally posted by Warrior18lol, well i guess i can't ignore that can i? 🙄 😆
FOR THE TENTH TIME START BASING CHARACTER'S ABILITIES ON WHAT THEY DO REGULARLY ON PANEL AND NOT ON BASELESS TERMS. I AM NOT SHOWING YOU HIGH END FEATS. THIS IS WHAT SHE HAS BEEN SHOWN TO REGULARLY DO.Sorry for typing in bold but you don't seem to be reading my posts or you are simply being facetious. Elektra's regular speed showings trump Ted's. You are the on bringing up BS high end feats because you know Ted's regular SPEED showings don't match Elektra's. 🙂
what you're saying is elektra is a super-speedster. you're saying something like her moving faster than the human eye underwater is routine/regular, which is BS. ELEKTRA IS NOT A SUPERSPEEDSTER!
sorry for the typing but you don't seem to be reading my posts.lol
if you wanna say elektra can move underwater faster than the human eye, then there's no way you should frown upon someone who'd say WC can move fast enough to grab a flash. neither have superhuman speed, period.i've accepted that on WC's behalf, despite his several feats that say otherwise.......now it's your turn
