Elektra vs Wildcat

Originally posted by namorsubby
1. you're stating her high end feats. you know that right?

2.like i said i don't care, forget about the creeper.......nothing you've said comes close to topping those "high-end BS feats" that i've so generously provided.

3.ted has done way better. remember, those BS feats? and anyway those are high end unless you can prove she does things like that on a regular basis.

the sad thing is, you comment on me mentioning Wc's high end feats when i'm not even saying one way or the other that they're valid. but you seem to believe that every feat you've cited is completely valid. come on, moving underwater faster than the eye can see? lol, elektra is not a super-speedster.

1. Current Elektra does these things. She has come a long way from the early eighties or whenever she appeared first. They are not high end for goodness sake.

2.LOL. See now you are being a hypocrite. You just said you are not bringing those high end feats up......but yet you are. Why? Because Ted's REGULAR speed showing s are not as good as Elektra's. You can only cling to one showing.literally one showing.

3.They are pure BS. We both know that. Who on Earth would bring up Batman bloodying Darkseid in a debate and claim this is a regular interpretation of his strength? What you are doing is the same. Please stop being silly.

Yes Elektra's moving fast in water is valid because it is now in her character to be some sort of mystical, quasi-supernatural ninja. Why can't you accept this?
Let me guess because it contradicts her encyclopedia or bio entries?

Originally posted by Warrior18
1. Current Elektra does these things. She has come a long way from the early eighties or whenever she appeared first. They are not high end for goodness sake.

2.LOL. See now you are being a hypocrite. You just said you are not bringing those high end feats up......but yet you are. Why? Because Ted's REGULAR speed showing s are not as good as Elektra's. You can only cling to one showing.literally one showing.

3.They are pure BS. We both know that. Who on Earth would bring up Batman bloodying Darkseid in a debate and claim this is a regular interpretation of his strength? What you are doing is the same. Please stop being silly.

Yes Elektra's moving fast in water is valid because it is now in her character to be some sort of mystical, quasi-supernatural ninja. Why can't you accept this?
Let me guess because it contradicts her encyclopedia or bio entries?

1. ELEKTRA DOES NOT HAVE SUPERHUMAN SPEED. i know that for a fact........but lets say you show me the majority of her recent apperances and they say other, then i'll admit i was wrong. it's not happening though......because it's simply not the case.

2.lol, being a hypocrite? i said i don't neccesarily acknowledge WC high end feats like you do for elektra, but i told you that if you wanted to put them out there, then so would i..........so what are you talking about buddy?

3.you are obviously the one not readin here. i've stated several times that i don't bring these feats up because i believe them to be valid, but because you brng up high-end elektra feats that supposedly trump WC's feats so i have to prove you wrong.

elektra simply does not have superhuman speed.......she just doesn't. you're accusing me of doing what you are.......viewing a high end feat and considering it valid, then actually trying to use that feat to cancel out well known fact concerning the character.

Originally posted by namorsubby
lol, well i guess i can't ignore that can i? 🙄 😆

what you're saying is elektra is a super-speedster. you're saying something like her moving faster than the human eye underwater is routine/regular, which is BS. ELEKTRA IS NOT A SUPERSPEEDSTER!

if you wanna say elektra can move underwater faster than the human eye, then there's no way you should frown upon someone who'd say WC can move fast enough to grab a flash. neither have superhuman speed, period.i've accepted that on WC's behalf, despite his several feats that say otherwise.......now it's your turn

1. Who the hell says you have to be a superspeedster to do that? It's comics. She blocks automatic gunfire does she not? Why is it so hard to accept she can do the water feat then?

2.Who says Elektra doesn't have what you call superhuman speed?
I'll tell you............YOU.
Who says she does? Ill tell you...........MARVEL. By showing her do it on panel a lot.

WC does not regularly grab Flash. This is the only speed feat of his which trumps Elektra's. It's BS.
Elektra regularly blocks automatic gunfire, that alone puts her head and shoulders above WC.

Your entire argument is based around pathetic bio orientated knowledge of Elektra which clashes markedly with her on panel showings.

Originally posted by namorsubby

3.you are obviously the one not readin here. i've stated several times that i don't bring these feats up because i believe them to be valid, but because you brng up high-end elektra feats that supposedly trump WC's feats so i have to prove you wrong.

elektra simply does not have superhuman speed.......she just doesn't. you're accusing me of doing what you are.......viewing a high end feat and considering it valid, then actually trying to use that feat to cancel out well known fact concerning the character.

For goodness sake, none of the feats I have listed are high end.It's what she currently does. 😐

sorry pal, but you can't rewrite the book on a character by stating a few unseen feats that contradict the character original consisitent, official attributes

but fine then, just to humor you........these new stats for elektra according to you are:

high superhuman speed(capable of moving faster than the human eye underwater)

high superhuman endurance( capable of withstanding blows from 100 ton class characters like thing)

.........now how absurd does that look?

dude, really, if she was this formiddable for real and routinely at that, she wouldn't be a street-leveler.😆

Originally posted by namorsubby
sorry pal, but you can't rewrite the book on a character by stating a few unseen feats that contradict the character original consisitent, official attributes

but fine then, just to humor you........these new stats for elektra according to you are:

[b]high superhuman speed(capable of moving faster than the human eye underwater)

high superhuman endurance( capable of withstanding blows from 100 ton class characters like thing)

.........now how absurd does that look?

dude, really, if she was this formiddable for real and routinely, she wouldn't be a street-leveler.😆 [/B]

Don't be stupid.

Actually no, that is hard when you actually admit to rating bios over regular on panel feats. Well done you have just stated you value secondary source info over the primary comic source. Cheers.

Originally posted by namorsubby

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[b]high superhuman speed(capable of moving faster than the human eye underwater)

high superhuman endurance( capable of withstanding blows from 100 ton class characters like thing)

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1. That is not high superhuman speed considering the wider comic world.

2. Again many similar characters do this. Even your boy Ted has done this regularly. Grow up.

there you go again.......no need for insults if you can effectively debate.

lol, your funny. i've never ever stated once that i value bios over consitent feats, but they are usually based on those pal, just in case you didn't know, especially the official ones in handbooks and what not. and besides that, those aren't elektra consistent abilities.......whether you like it or not. like i said, if that was the level she's been at recently, she wouldv'e without a doubt officially upgraded to low meta. which she would be if she had superhuman speed/durability.

Originally posted by Warrior18
1. That is not high superhuman speed considering the wider comic world.

2. Again many similar characters do this. Even your boy Ted has done this regularly. Grow up.

1.whatever you say,but it's superhuman speed nonetheless......which she just doesn't have.

2.he does do things like that, but not regularly. and i'm sensible enough to not try and say he has superhuman anything after veiwing a couple of feats which may imply otherwise. when you're a fan of batman like i am, you have to learn to not take too much that a character does to heart........otherwise you'll look like a nut.😆

Originally posted by namorsubby
there you go again.......no need for insults if you can effectively debate.

lol, your funny. i've never ever stated once that i value bios over consitent feats, but they are usually based on those pal, just in case you didn't know, especially the official ones in handbooks and what not. and besides that, those aren't elektra consistent abilities.......whether you like it or not. like i said, if that was the level she's been at recently, she wouldv'e without a doubt officially upgraded to low meta. which she would be if she had superhuman speed/durability.

Do you realise that DD still gets listed as an Olympic level athlete despite the fact he has always and regularly shown physical attributes that put him well into peak human levels and in some cases more?
This is the same with Elektra.
Then we have Cap being listed as not being able to lift more than 800lbs. Pure BS.

Official bios are not written by the writers. They are frequently another easy way of gaining more sales. Based on the above examples alone they are clearly BS.

Elektra is much better than her official bio listings. Again those are her consitent abilities.

Originally posted by namorsubby
1.whatever you say,but it's superhuman speed nonetheless......which she just doesn't have.

2.he does do things like that, but not regularly. and i'm sensible enough to not try and say he has superhuman anything after veiwing a couple of feats which may imply otherwise. when you're a fan of batman like i am, you have to learn to not take too much that a character does to heart........otherwise you'll look like a nut.😆

You wonder why I lose my rag with you? This is exactly why.

1.She shows this speed regularly. I don't like using words like superhuman in such cases anyway. Precisley because bio loving fans such as yourself can't compute. I go by regular showings, you should too.

2.Again she and other characters (Cap,DD,Bats,WC etc) show such endurance. It was you who started throwing around the word 'superhuman' not me. I just said she regularly survives such blows.

Again you deny regular showings because it clashes with her bio listings.

Originally posted by Warrior18
You wonder why I lose my rag with you? This is exactly why.

1.She shows this speed regularly. I don't like using words like superhuman in such cases anyway. Precisley because bio loving fans such as yourself can't compute. I go by regular showings, you should too.

2.Again she and other characters (Cap,DD,Bats,WC etc) show such endurance. It was you who started throwing around the word 'superhuman' not me. I just said she regularly survives such blows.

Again you deny regular showings because it clashes with her bio listings.

2.no street-leveler consistently shows endurance fairly above their rank, at least not consistently enough......otherwise they'd upgrade to a higher teir or simply wouldv'e never been placed there in the first place, period.

3. it clashes with the majority of her showings, if it were actually the majority, then.......well i've already explained that.

these are the facts, elektra isn't superhuman in speed or durability whether you like it or not. oh and btw, dodging the word "superhuman" doesn't mean you're implying anything less 😆

Originally posted by namorsubby

these are the facts, elektra isn't superhuman in speed or durability whether you like it or not. oh and btw, dodging the word "superhuman" doesn't mean you're implying anything less 😆

No, it just means that she regularly displays such showings.

Originally posted by namorsubby
lol. she doesnt show superhuman speed regularly simply because she wouldn't be in her category if she did.

2.no street-leveler consistently shows endurance fairly above their rank, at least not consistently enough......otherwise they'd upgrade to a higher teir or simply wouldv'e never been placed there in the first place, period.

3. it clashes with the majority of her showings, if it were actually the majority, then.......well i've already explained that.

these are the facts, elektra isn't superhuman in speed or durability whether you like it or not. oh and btw, dodging the word "superhuman" doesn't mean you're implying anything less 😆

*facepalm* Again.............

Do you realise that DD still gets listed as an Olympic level athlete despite the fact he has always and regularly shown physical attributes that put him well into peak human levels and in some cases more?
This is the same with Elektra.Her attributes and showings place her far above what she is officially listed as.
Then we have Cap being listed as not being able to lift more than 800lbs. Pure BS.

Official bios are not written by the writers. They are frequently another easy way of gaining more sales. Based on the above examples alone they are clearly BS.

Elektra is much better than her official bio listings. Again those are her consitent abilities.

I don't dodge the word superhuman. I actively avoid trying to use it in such cases and when dealing with such characters. Again you and your bio definitions brought it up.

what's with this talk of bios anyway? it's not like i'm looking these things up in some bio and stating them. there just established, well-known attributes of the character.

but yeah, to you elektra is under-rated and undeserving of her low official stats, seeing as she regularly displays examples of superhuman speed/durability.that's fine i guess, but i don't believe that to be true.

Wc has showings well above human capability or even peak human too, so do many street-levelers, but i don't think they really show such formmidability in a large amount of their collective showings......at least not the majorirty.

either way i think WC wins. elktra's faster/more agile, but not too much. wc has the advantage of about 6 or 7 decades fighting and a mastery of many MA's and the time to home that skill, not too mention he's stronger and more durable. he also has the advantage of being a peak human male, while elektra is a peak human female.

Originally posted by namorsubby
he also has the advantage of being a peak human male, while elektra is a peak human female.

Originally posted by Mindset
sexist

but yeah that's just the way it is. natures way and what not.

Originally posted by namorsubby
you mean [B]sexy.......there's a difference.😆

but yeah that's just the way it is. natures way and what not. [/B]

what, you didn't hear?........she's actually a man.

bet you're questioning your manhood now aren't you? all those years of lust tward her and BAM, she's a dude 😆

lol,jk.......but anything's possible.

Originally posted by namorsubby
what, you didn't hear?........she's actually a man.

bet you're questioning your manhood now aren't you? all those years of lust tward her and BAM, she's a dude 😆

lol,jk.......but anything's possible.