Originally posted by namorsubby
what's with this talk of bios anyway? it's not like i'm looking these things up in some bio and stating them. there just established, well-known attributes of the character.but yeah, to you elektra is under-rated and undeserving of her low official stats, seeing as she regularly displays examples of superhuman speed/durability.that's fine i guess, but i don't believe that to be true.
Wc has showings well above human capability or even peak human too, so do many street-levelers, but i don't think they really show such formmidability in a large amount of their collective showings......at least not the majorirty.
either way i think WC wins. elktra's faster/more agile, but not too much. wc has the advantage of about 6 or 7 decades fighting and a mastery of many MA's and the time to home that skill, not too mention he's stronger and more durable. he also has the advantage of being a peak human male, while elektra is a peak human female.
1. *sigh* When bios contradict regular on panel showings we throw them out of the window.
2.Yes she is. 🙂 Again I don't know about superhuman durability since other street levelers regularly survive getting high level pummelings.
3.Again she does now since her second resurrection to my knowledge. In fact ask Battlehammer or someone else who knows more about her, she may have been doing this since she first appeared, I'm not sure.
4.Fair enough your opinion, so long as you don't lowball her feats as PIS etc. Yes she is faster, noticeably so.She is also very skilled, more than WC, he is good but he isn't top tier. :/ I don't know how you say he is stronger by the way and she has demonstrated at least as good durability.
Come on man............its comics peak male>peak female is nonsense. 😬
Originally posted by Warrior18
1. *sigh* When bios contradict regular on panel showings we throw them out of the window.2.Yes she is. 🙂 Again I don't know about superhuman durability since other street levelers regularly survive getting high level pummelings.
3.Again she does now since her second resurrection to my knowledge. In fact ask Battlehammer or someone else who knows more about her, she may have been doing this since she first appeared, I'm not sure.
4.Fair enough your opinion, so long as you don't lowball her feats as PIS etc. Yes she is faster, noticeably so.She is also very skilled, more than WC, he is good but he isn't top tier. :/ I don't know how you say he is stronger by the way and she has demonstrated at least as good durability.
Come on man............its comics peak male>peak female is nonsense. 😬
what's with this talk of bios anyway? it's not like i'm looking these things up in some bio and stating them. there just established, well-known attributes of the character
lol. how can you be the undisputed single best at a MA on DC earth and not be a top tier MA? not to mention the fact that you have trained/fought other highly reknowned top teir fighters.....that simply doesn't make any sense.
how do you even ask how i say WC is stronger? no one has showed me anything close to his strength level....and that oddball sai tossing feat didn't prove anything whatsoever.
equal durability??? so you're saying getting hit by a skrull who possibly has thing's strength equals or even comes close to enduring attacks from black adam, alan scott's ring, kyle rayner's ring, uber solomon grundy, hawkman's mace, etc? get real.
as for those feats..........you can believe elektra is a meta if you want, but she isn't. either way her feats aren't more impressive.......so i guess wildcat is some super uber meta with superspeed/durability too 🙄
wildcat FTW
Originally posted by namorsubbylol. how can you be the undisputed single best at a MA on DC earth and not be a top tier MA? not to mention the fact that you have trained/fought other highly reknowned top teir fighters.....it doesn't make sense.
how do you even ask how i say WC is stronger? no one has showed me anything close to his strength level....and that oddball sai tossing feat didn't prove anything whatsoever.
equal durability??? so you're saying getting hit by a skrull who [b]possibly
has thing's strength equals or even comes close to enduring attacks from black adam, alan scott's ring, kyle rayner's ring, uber solomon grundy, hawkman's mace, etc? get real.as for those feats..........you can believe elektra is a meta if you want, but she isn't. either way her feats aren't more impressive.......so i guess wildcat is some super uber meta with superspeed/durability too 🙄
wildcat FTW [/B]
1.WC is good............at boxing.
So what if he has trained them? Has he actually defeated any top tiers? Don't list pre-crisis fights with Batman. 🙂
2.Are you being serious? She throws a sai with enough force to first take the goon's hand off then cause it to plough through his body. How is that "oddball" and how does that not show she can compete with Ted in strength. By the way I never once said she was stronger or that Ted was weaker. Nor do I think it.
3.So now you are accepting WC's feats of getting wacked by class 100 guys? And no the skrulls definitely had both Thing and Colossus' powers. There was nothing ambiguous about it.
4.Again for the 100th time it is not what I or you believe, it is what she does regularly on panel since her second resurrection at least.
No actually Ted doesn't have Elektra's "superspeed" as you say because his speed feats pale in comparison. 🙂
Originally posted by namorsubby
guess you didn't hear me the 1st time:quote:
what's with this talk of bios anyway? it's not like i'm looking these things up in some bio and stating them. there just established, well-known attributes of the character
What the hell do you mean by "established, well-known attributes of the character"? According to whom are these attributes established and well known?
You clearly don't know anything about Elektra evidenced by the fact that you basically thought WC could one shot her. You could only have gained this opinion by entirely basing your knowledge of her on bio entries which list her frequently as olympic level. 😕
lol......according to you she's a meta with superhuman strength/durability......according to everyone else she isn't. it is well established that she isn't superhuman, period. not need a bio to figure that out.....just common knowledge of the character along with common sense.
but yeah sure whatever. i don't share your opinion on the match so yeah i don't know anything about her.......either way like i said ted's feats are more impressive
wildcat FTW.
Originally posted by Warrior18
1.WC is good............at boxing.
So what if he has trained them? Has he actually defeated any top tiers? Don't list pre-crisis fights with Batman. 🙂2.Are you being serious? She throws a sai with enough force to first take the goon's hand off then cause it to plough through his body. How is that "oddball" and how does that not show she can compete with Ted in strength. By the way I never once said she was stronger or that Ted was weaker. Nor do I think it.
3.So now you are accepting WC's feats of getting wacked by class 100 guys? And no the skrulls definitely had both Thing and Colossus' powers. There was nothing ambiguous about it.
4.Again for the 100th time it is not what I or you believe, it is what she does regularly on panel since her second resurrection at least.
No actually Ted doesn't have Elektra's "superspeed" as you say because his speed feats pale in comparison. 🙂
1.shows what you know about him. ted isn't just a boxer, he has mastered several other MA's. and how can you train the best without being great yourself?
oh, and he's not "good" at boxing, he's "the finest boxer to have ever lived", on DC earth that is. he's been shown to be able to easily take guys programmed with the abilities of the greatest boxers of all time at the same time.
2. i'll skip that one.......no use in even debating strength
3.what else can i do? if you wanna say elektra can endure such and such, well then i'll just have to top it......which i did.
4.prove it. show me something. you don't even have scans. she's not superhuman according to every other source but you and you want me to just take your word for it after you cite a couple of feats?
5.lol, you gotta be kidding.......guess you forgot about his showings with the flashes:
"pale in comparison" 😱 😆
Originally posted by namorsubby
lol......according to you she's a meta with superhuman strength/durability......according to everyone else she isn't. it is well established that she isn't superhuman, period. not need a bio to figure that out.....just common knowledge of the character along with common sense.but yeah sure whatever. i don't share your opinion on the match so yeah i don't know anything about her.......either way like i said ted's feats are more impressive
wildcat FTW.
Firstly you need to stop throwing around the word superhuman and making unfounded accusations. I did not use the word to describe her at all. It was you who did first. I have not claimed Elektra is a superhuman speedster or that she is has superhuman durability.
I say this becuase other non superhumans regularly show similar durability/strength/speed feats to Elektra.
However what I have claimed is that her feats are better than Teds. This does not in anyway shape or form mean I am saying she is superhuman. So please stop putting words into my mouth.
Most people who have contributed to the thread agree that Elektra wins......so it's not just according to me.
No you don't know anything about her because you simply deny her feats because they contradict bios and you said Ted could one shot her.
Originally posted by Warrior18
Firstly you need to stop throwing around the word superhuman and making unfounded accusations. I did not use the word to describe her at all. It was you who did first. I have not claimed Elektra is a superhuman speedster or that she is has superhuman durability.I say this becuase other non superhumans regularly show similar durability/strength/speed feats to Elektra.
However what I have claimed is that her feats are better than Teds. This does not in anyway shape or form mean I am saying she is superhuman. So please stop putting words into my mouth.
Most people who have contributed to the thread agree that Elektra wins......so it's not just according to me.
No you don't know anything about her because you simply deny her feats because they contradict bios and you said Ted could one shot her.
1.if you say elektra can regularly move faster than the human eye underwater or withstand thing/colossus level attacks then what are you saying? like i said dodging the actual term doesn't mean anything.
2. it doesn't matter what others say about he match. ted has better feats......bet they don't know that. and if they do they simply don't care, which is why i don't bother with them......that is unless they wanna try to actually prove elektra wins.
3. i don't deny anything. i don't even have to when ted has feats more impressive. but if you wanna change her stats based off of those few feats.....i will contend it.
like i said, i was speaking in a more realistic sense........either way you can keep mentioning that i said that and it won't affect me one bit 😄
Originally posted by namorsubby
1.shows what you know about him. ted isn't just a boxer, he has mastered several other MA's. and how can you train the best without being great yourself?oh, and he's not "good" at boxing, he's "the finest boxer to have ever lived", on DC earth that is. he's been shown to be able to easily take guys programmed with the abilities of the greatest boxers of all time at the same time.
2. i'll skip that one.......no use in even debating strength
3.what else can i do? if you wanna say elektra can endure such and such, well then i'll just have to top it......which i did.
4.prove it. show me something. you don't even have scans. she's not superhuman according to every other source but you and you want me to just take your word for it after you cite a couple of feats?
5.lol, you gotta be kidding.......guess you forgot about his showings with the flashes:
"pale in comparison" 😱 😆
1.He is overwhelmingly a boxer. I know in bios it says he mastered several MAs and you have an ancient scan of him doing a karate chop, but his knowledge of these other styles is nothing compared to his knowledge and use of boxing. So what if Ted has fought other top tiers?
I'm not distputing the fact that he is pretty much the best boxer in DC. 😐
2.Why? It is a valid impressive feat.
3.But you said such showings are PIS and you regularly lament street levelers surviving such encounters.
4.Fair enough.Check out her most recent appearances at least if you can. There are scans somewhere of those feats on this site. It is difficult since she has no respect thread. I saw them earlier in the year. It was probably in the Batman v Elektra thread. Again I didn't say she was superhuman.
5. I have seen two Flash showings. One is the grabbing one which is nonsesnse as I already stated and gave reasons for earlier.
The other is the one where the Garrick was mind raped and tried to wrestle with Ted. lol. Not impressive.
Compared to at the very least Elektra's bullet blocking/deflecting and disarming of Frank Castle, Ted doesn't have much.
Originally posted by namorsubby
1.if you say elektra can regularly move faster than the human eye underwater or withstand thing/colossus level attacks then what are you saying? like i said dodging the actual term doesn't mean anything.2. it doesn't matter what others say about he match. ted has better feats......bet they don't know that. and if they do they simply don't care, which is why i don't bother with them......that is unless they wanna try to actually prove elektra wins.
3. i don't deny anything. i don't even have to when ted has feats more impressive. but if you wanna change her stats based off of those few feats.....i will contend it.
like i said, i was speaking in a more realistic sense........either way you can keep mentioning that i said that and it won't affect me one bit 😄
1.*sigh* Non-superhumans have shown similar durability feats. Her speed feats are good,better than other street levelers, but again I am not saying that she is really superhuman. JUST BETTER THAN TED. I am not dodging any terms because I am not insinuating any terms.
2.lol.
3.I am not changing her stats. The writers appear to put her at a particular level and I follow it.
Originally posted by Warrior18
1.He is overwhelmingly a boxer. I know in bios it says he mastered several MAs and you have an ancient scan of him doing a karate chop, but his knowledge of these other styles is nothing compared to his knowledge and use of boxing.I'm not distputing the fact that he is pretty much the best boxer in DC. 😐
2.Why? It is a valid question.
3.But you said such showings are PIS and you regularly lament street levelers surviving such encounters.
4.Fair enough.Check out her most recent appearances at least if you can. There are scans somewhere of those feats on this site. It is difficult since she has no respect thread. I saw them earlier in the year. It was probably in the Batman v Elektra thread. Again I didn't say she was superhuman.
5. I have seen two Flash showings. One is the grabbing one which is nonsesnse as I already stated and gave reasons for earlier.
The other is the one where the Garrick was mind raped and tried to wrestle with Ted. lol. Not impressive.
Compared to at the very least Elektra's bullet blocking/deflecting and disarming of Frank Castle, Ted doesn't have much.
1. ted is the best at boxing and a master at several MAs. it's the same thing stats say about every other MA......they've mastered this and that. wildcat has too.....just because he is the best in boxing and it's his primary fighting style doesn't mean he can't do other styles just as good as other MA's who know them.
2.i guess it could become valid if someone put something worth considering out there.
3.i know, but i just can't resist topping other people's feats.lol
4.i went and made an extensive respect thread for wildcat back when no one was giving him any credit at all......tough cookies 😆
5.you haven't seen everything then. there's another fight with garrick you missed. and still more....id cite them but i've already laid them out for everyone to see.
oh,he was trying to chop his head off with his helmet....not wrestling him. and it's not like jay loses all his reaction speed/agility while he was doing that.....why didn't he just dodge wildcat's head butt?? i've seen him dodge some crazy thing close quarters......he has no excuse
i hope you're not still saying elektra's speed feats>WC's.........and come on........you're really saying doing that to pun is elektra's lowest type of speed feat? cuz i'm sure i could find something much worse if i put my mind to it.
Originally posted by Warrior18
1.*sigh* Non-superhumans have shown similar durability feats. Her speed feats are good,better than other street levelers, but again I am not saying that she is really superhuman. JUST BETTER THAN TED. I am not dodging any terms because I am not insinuating any terms.2.lol.
3.I am not changing her stats. The writers appear to put her at a particular level and I follow it.
1. lol. see you keep saying that but you can't produce any speed feats to top his......that means you're probably incorrect or you're at least drastically over exaggerating her speed advantage......because i do believe she is faster.
2.ok?
3.yes you are. writers haven't done anything but supply you with a handful of feats to fuel your so called argument.
Originally posted by namorsubby
5.you haven't seen everything then. there's another fight with garrick you missed. and still more....id cite them but i've already laid them out for everyone to see.oh,he was trying to chop his head off with his helmet....not wrestling him. and it's not like jay loses all his reaction speed/agility while he was doing that.....why didn't he just dodge wildcat's head butt?? i've seen him dodge some crazy thing close quarters......he has no excuse
i hope you're not still saying elektra's speed feats>WC's.........and come on........you're really saying doing that to pun is elektra's lowest type of speed feat? cuz i'm sure i could find something much worse if i put my mind to it.
1.My bad I will check again.
2.Pretty sure they ended up on the ground rolling around while he tried to behead WC.That can be described as wrestling.He was mind controlled. In a versus forum we never use such fights as valid showings of a character's potential or abilities. Why on Earth would Jay Garrick try to chop off someone's head with a helmet when he can simply speed blitz him? You are completely ignoring context and circumstance.
3.When did I say it was Elektra's lowest speed feat?
Originally posted by namorsubby
i know they have similar feats....but no one's running around saying they are at that level simply by veiwing a few high end durability feats.1. lol. see you keep saying that but you can't produce any speed feats to top his......that means you're probably incorrect or you're at least drastically over exaggerating her speed advantage......because i do believe she is faster.
2.ok?
3.yes you are. writers haven't done anything but supply you with a handful of feats to fuel your so called argument.
1.They are not few and high end. Certain street guys regularly show such durability. They have the ability to do so since it is regularly shown.
2. An unfair assumption. They did give reasons.
3. Check all her appearances. Especially after she was resurrected for the second time.