Originally posted by quanchi112
Id like to see the Sentry take on Thor in a no hold barred matchup. I cant believe they are writing another Hulk vs Sentry so soon.
I agree. It'll be another fight where the Sentry fights like a chump because of his friendship and he'll end up looking bad again. I'm getting pretty used to it by now though.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Why do you think most posters actually will make threads with regards to the 8th day juggernaut. Its because he was more powerful in this arc. You want to deny it to glorify him in some way. I put up the scan.Some posters like yourself wont admit anything regardless of what someone else puts up. The evidence points to him being more powerful due to the other avatars being activated. he had a mission to fulfill and stomped Thor along the way.
Prove where it says he was amped. The scan you provided said no such thing, he was commenting on how something was drawing him some where and no one would stop him.
No where does it say he was amped. If anything it proves my theory that the Juggernaut can increase his power when he wants to.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33Thor and Juggs both said how he was more powerful. He was given his powers to fulfill his destiny and was slightly more powerful at this time.
Prove where it says he was amped. The scan you provided said no such thing, he was commenting on how something was drawing him some where and no one would stop him.No where does it say he was amped. If anything it proves my theory that the Juggernaut can increase his power when he wants to.
When has Juggernaut ever said I can increase my own power when I want to? Think about it. He was drawn to his destiny and later retained the willpower to break free from his master. Why didnt Juggs increase his power against Onslaught or War Hulk?
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33Thor said he was more powerful and Juggs agreed. Its on the page. You can pretend its not right there and hide from it,but that changes nothing.
As I said, Juggernaut has shown the ability to will power increases. You're suggesting he was amped by an external force. He wasn't, the fact is 8th Day Juggernaut never did anything classic Juggernaut could do.
Originally posted by quanchi112Thor lost to a weaker Hulk when he had no powers (besides strength and durability). Sentry stalemated a stronger Hulk when he was going all out. There's a massive difference. Key being that Sentry had access to all of his powers, while Thor didn't. If we throw Sentry with only strength and durability against Hulk, I'm not sure if he'd do any better at all.
Thor lost to a weaker Hulk. Sentry took on a much more powerful Hulk and was flying into his fists. He was the only one during this whole arc who manned up and took him on blow for blow exhausting him. He exhausted the Hulk. Thats impressive me thinks.How is throwing a building at Thor and then charging him cheapshotting him? He had help which means on his own he was prolly going to lose. Glads had him on the ropes. Thor had aid from Thor girl and others. Do you just want to forget these rather important details?
Iron Man was also taken out of his armor was he not? I think he was but I cant remember and am to lazy to look it up right now. Sentry took on a force that annihilated the alpha flight and it seems very quickly. With all the powers the collective contained we know its impressive.
Sentry wasnt there to hurt them but easily warded off their attacks and kept them at bay while not even exerting himself.
Dont you think that Sentry and Photon engaging while both holding back and doing massive collateral damage and looking to be virtual equals to be impressive? Its not like he was trading blows with the Thing.
Thor did no significant damage. The Celestials werent out to destroy them and were letting them hurl swords into them and easily recovering.
That isnt the Thor we are talking about? Thanos was also knocked back by spiderman if memory serves me correct. Thanos toyed with the heroes and destroyed them all.
When did Thor knock Galactus around? Are you referring to the godblast?
I am comparing sentry and his battles with similar opponents to Thor.
Because he threw a building to distract him, and then came up behind Thor.
He already did lose, so help means nothing. And Thor lost due to a plot device, just like a plot device saved him.
He was. And he later was able to keep Collective at bay.
What's so impressive about beating Alpha Flight in a 'seemingly' short time?
OK, then Iron Man gets some credit then too.
Again... that's not an impressive feat...
We don't know how impressive, we just know that both were powerful the effects of their battle was. He stalemated a holding back Photon while he was holding back... how vague.
But Thor did do damage... to Celestials. Not many people can do significant damage to Celestials, but Thor also happens to be another person who has done that to the most powerful Celestial...
They weren't letting him do anything. Thor was knocking Arishem on his ass, and threw a sword at him. As well as Gaea having to step in to prevent Thor from being killed. So yes, they were out to kill Thor.
No, that's a weaker/equal version of Thor (with less experience). The difference is that Thor made Thanos take a step back because his punch was so powerful.
In an FF comic. No.
No you aren't. The only similar opponent you used was the 'name' Hulk. You're comparing low feats to high feats as well.
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I felt there was a misunderstanding, so meh...
Originally posted by Red HulkI can see this is getting us nowhere. Ok,Rulk beat Thor's ass with his hammer. he had all of his powers and was decimated the first time they fought. It wasnt even close.
Thor lost to a weaker Hulk when he had no powers (besides strength and durability). Sentry stalemated a stronger Hulk when he was going all out. There's a massive difference. Key being that Sentry had access to all of his powers, while Thor didn't. If we throw Sentry with only strength and durability against Hulk, I'm not sure if he'd do any better at all.
He was the only one, because he was by far the most powerful character that Hulk fought (besides the Strange that basically gave up). And flying into fists would only have to do with durability...
Oh ya, this was right after Hulk fought Strange and got his chest blown out. He was still damaged visibly from his fight with Strange, so it's not like he was maximum...Because he threw a building to distract him, and then came up behind Thor.
He already did lose, so help means nothing. And Thor lost due to a plot device, just like a plot device saved him.He was. And he later was able to keep Collective at bay.
What's so impressive about beating Alpha Flight in a 'seemingly' short time?
OK, then Iron Man gets some credit then too.Again... that's not an impressive feat...
We don't know how impressive, we just know that both were powerful the effects of their battle was. He stalemated a holding back Photon while he was holding back... how vague.
But Thor did do damage... to Celestials. Not many people can do significant damage to Celestials, but Thor also happens to be another person who has done that to the most powerful Celestial...
They weren't letting him do anything. Thor was knocking Arishem on his ass, and threw a sword at him. As well as Gaea having to step in to prevent Thor from being killed. So yes, they were out to kill Thor.No, that's a weaker/equal version of Thor (with less experience). The difference is that Thor made Thanos take a step back because his punch was so powerful.
In an FF comic. No.
No you aren't. The only similar opponent you used was the 'name' Hulk. You're comparing low feats to high feats as well.
WW Hulk had chained them all up and had sent them after each other. I cant believe you are trying to use this angle here. It wasnt like the Sentry just showed up after the Strange fight. I guess WW Hulk should be excused from the juggernaut rematch and anyone he fought immediately after another due to him being taxed.
He was fighting Thor,so how is that tactic unfair? Really,tell me? It wasnt like he cheapshotted him or had someone else helping him as Thor had. You want to ignore that still and its kind of humorous.
Iron Man wasnt flying into the Collective and holding his own in an exchange like the Sentry was. Its completely different. How isnt tearing through alpha flight impressive especially due to all the mutant powers the collective had at the time?
Uhm,they were holding back shredding entire worlds. That doesnt impress you? Really? Does Photon impress you?
Arishem let him hit him with the sword and took it out like it did nothing. Odin and Thor were nothing to them.
Didnt Spiderman also knock Thanos back with a kick? Does that impress you?
Is this Galactus' initial appearance? Didnt the thing knock him around as well?
Who are similar opponents that Thor and Sentry have both faced off against?
Originally posted by quanchi112I agree, which is why this post is my last on this little subject.
I can see this is getting us nowhere. Ok,Rulk beat Thor's ass with his hammer. he had all of his powers and was decimated the first time they fought. It wasnt even close.WW Hulk had chained them all up and had sent them after each other. I cant believe you are trying to use this angle here. It wasnt like the Sentry just showed up after the Strange fight. I guess WW Hulk should be excused from the juggernaut rematch and anyone he fought immediately after another due to him being taxed.
He was fighting Thor,so how is that tactic unfair? Really,tell me? It wasnt like he cheapshotted him or had someone else helping him as Thor had. You want to ignore that still and its kind of humorous.
Iron Man wasnt flying into the Collective and holding his own in an exchange like the Sentry was. Its completely different. How isnt tearing through alpha flight impressive especially due to all the mutant powers the collective had at the time?
Uhm,they were holding back shredding entire worlds. That doesnt impress you? Really? Does Photon impress you?
Arishem let him hit him with the sword and took it out like it did nothing. Odin and Thor were nothing to them.
Didnt Spiderman also knock Thanos back with a kick? Does that impress you?
Is this Galactus' initial appearance? Didnt the thing knock him around as well?
Who are similar opponents that Thor and Sentry have both faced off against?
WWH was still healing up from the Strange fight... you could actually see the damage still on Hulk...
Because he only won due to a distraction caused by a plot device (building). Without throwing the building at him, Thor wouldn't have been snuck up from behind. Besides, without the help of someone, Donald Blake would have been dead in that fight as Gladiator would have smashed into him at high speeds. And the help of the person has nothing to do with the fights either, so what's the point of bringing it up?
Either way, factoring in everything. Thor got the advantage on him twice in that arc (counting when Thor had him at his mercy before the plane went out of control). Glad's got it once.
He was holding Collective back though. Something which should be impossible if we take into account Collective's powers.
Why would that make him tearing through Alpha Flight impressive? Because he had so many powers, him tearing through Alpha Flight is impressive?
Jesus... I said the only thing about that battle was them tearing through worlds. 😐
Yes, but the fact that he was holding back (as well as Sentry) makes it so vague, it's not even funny.
Arishem didn't let it hit him, Arishem was getting up at the time. Why did you just ignore the main point though?
Thor was able to damage and take blasts from Celestials... that's the point.
Spider-Man got a surprise attack on Thanos. The narration said that Thor's punch was so powerful that it made Thanos take a step back, and that's why it's a feat, rather than me using Thor knocking Thanos down twice with his hammer.
Thor started off by knocking Galactus around, Galactus fought heroes, Strange uses a spell that makes Galactus start freaking out, and Reed slingshots Thing into Galactus, which finished off what was already going down.
Absorbing Man, Hulk, Terrax, Iron Man, Dr Doom, etc.
Jim Hammond... lulz.
Originally posted by Red HulkIn the same story Rulk got owned at the end by Thor and Hulk. He is in their league not above them. i think with what I hear is doing now thats a fair assessment until further notice.
I agree, which is why this post is my last on this little subject.
Rulk also easily beat Grulk, and Watcher as well before he started to go downhill... Rulk seemed to be written above WWH at that time.
The Thor weakened him, then Grulk beat him, and now he's having an incredibly hard time with four high metas.
We either count something as pis, or we factor in how he was before and after.WWH was still healing up from the Strange fight... you could actually see the damage still on Hulk...
Because he only won due to a distraction caused by a plot device (building). Without throwing the building at him, Thor wouldn't have been snuck up from behind. Besides, without the help of someone, Donald Blake would have been dead in that fight as Gladiator would have smashed into him at high speeds.
Either way, factoring in everything. Thor got the advantage on him twice in that arc (counting when Thor had him at his mercy before the plane went out of control). Glad's got it once.He was holding Collective back though. Something which should be impossible if we take into account Collective's powers.
Why would that make him tearing through Alpha Flight impressive? Because he had so many powers, him tearing through Alpha Flight is impressive?Jesus... I said the only thing about that battle was them tearing through worlds. 😐
Yes, but the fact that he was holding back makes it so vague, it's not even funny.Arishem didn't let it hit him, Arishem was getting up at the time. Why did you just ignore the main point though?
Thor was able to damage and take blasts from Celestials... that's the point.Spider-Man got a surprise attack on Thanos. The narration said that Thor's punch was so powerful that it made Thanos take a step back, and that's why it's a feat, rather than me using Thor knocking Thanos down twice with his hammer.
Thor started off by knocking Galactus around, Galactus fought heroes, Strange uses a spell that makes Galactus start freaking out, and Reed slingshots Thing into Galactus, which finished off what was already going down.
Absorbing Man, Hulk, Terrax, Iron Man, Dr Doom, etc.
I disagree and dont think the writer took that into account at all. WW Hulk and Sentry were pretty even when they poured it all out on the line.
So,using the environment around you is a distraction now. If Hulk throws a rock into Thor's haed does that dq that from being used because the rock wont be there in a forum fight?
Glads lost and I admit Thor is his superior because of his hammer but he also needed Thor girl's aid and help in retrieving his hammer. This makes the victory not as impressive.
Do you see Glads equal,greater than,or less than the Sentry?
The Collective was still raw with his powers at the time but was still very powerful considering the mopping the alpha flight received. I think taking out the af is impressive. I dont know how you wouldnt,but thats your perogative.
I cant really recall them saying that Photon was holding back....are you sure about that one?
Arishem could have ended Thor but chose not to. He wasnt in a war for his existence and was letting Thor attack him imo.
Yes,damaging a Celestial is impressive but that doesnt prove he can take Sentry.
So,because the narration didnt say Spiderman knocked him aback its not as impressive? Really?
Ok,Thor knocked him around...was this his first appearance? Cuz if it was I think Galactus has gotten more powerful since then and have faced off against Thor and backup and easily been well above them.
I didnt read the Doom fight yet....how did it go?
There is no way Thor beat Terrax easier than Sentry punked him.
