One Piece/Bleach/Naruto vs Cell

Originally posted by Kento
That's completely different. It's not potential for Gohan. It's not something he could train and achieve but doesn't it's something he has already but can't use without getting very angry.

And we never really see how powerful Present Trunks gets except that he and Goten are nearly equal with 18 as kids so it's really impossible to say if Trunks surpassed Future Trunks or got weaker in those ten years at the End of Z than as a kid.

I can see your point, but Gohan's Mystic power isn't static- if it were, then Vegeta and Goku would be guaranteed to surpass it with training, due to the warrior race thing. So just by having his true power unlocked, that doesn't mean that it won't increase or decrease with training/lack thereof. It's true that it'll never decrease to the same extent as it would without the mystic power, but the fact that he doesn't train at all means it'll drop off pretty quick compared to Vegeta and Goku. For example, in the 7 years between the Cell Games and the Majin Buu saga, Vegeta's power increased enormously, to 70,000,000 in fight with Pui Pui, whereas Gohan's power dropped to 78, 000, 000 in Super Saiyan 1. Once Gohan started training again it increased reasonably quickly, but he was still far weaker than Vegeta and Goku in the same form.

I'm not talking about his general power level. Under normal circumstances Gohan is weaker. But he's got power inside of him he can only access when he's angry. That power is what I'm talking about. The mystic upgrade pulled out that power and it made him > SSJ3.

Though I'm not sure if he still has that hidden power after the mystic upgrade since the series doesn't continue..except for GT which sucks anyway.

And power levels never go pass the Freeza saga..so where did you get those from?

This site here: http://www.myfavoritegames.com/dbz/power-levels(new).htm

I cross referenced with several others, and there appear to be 2 main schools of thought on power levels after the Freeza saga- possibly due to difference in the English/Japanese versions. Anyway, the vast majority of sites that i could find give Vegeta's power in the Buu Saga as either 5, 000, 000 or 70, 000, 000, and SSJ2 Vegeta as either 35, 000, 000 or 360, 000, 000. The relative power levels appear to be the same in both versions though (i.e. Goku's power/ Vegeta's power ~ constant)
In any case, my point is that no one-off power increase is enough to offset the continual increase in power that Vegeta and Goku attain through training and sparring. Vegeta is clearly more powerful than Gohan in the Great Saiyaman saga, and i see no reason that he wouldn't continue to increase in power indefinitely, while Gohan doesn't train- so even though his Mystic power puts him above SSJ3, over time Goku and Vegeta should be more powerful than Goku's original SSJ3 even at SSJ2.
If that seems unlikely, consider that Vegeta was willing to fight without going Super Saiyan in the World Martial arts tournament. Clearly, he's confident that he's stronger in his natural state than Piccolo is, and Piccolo is stronger than Cell in his original form, or Android 18- whereas both were stronger than him as a Super Saiyan at the beginning of the Android Saga.

Under normal circumstances (ie Gohan not angry) yes Vegeta and Gokou can and have surpassed him. But the mystic form didn't amp his power. It just brought forth the hidden power he had when angry. And that alone was enough to put him above ssj3 in base form. That power doesn't fade over time. His hidden power is what I'm talking about that makes him so much more powerful. Gokou and Vegeta are both much more skilled, and willing to fight so in a fight against Gohan they would easily win. But against a threat to their family Gohan would surpass them in power and then afterwards become weaker again.

Byaka(cant ever spell his name right. dude with the leaf pedals.
Ichigo
Sasuke
Itachi
Luffy
eneru
Naruto
Pain absorption body

Pain body can absorb all of Cells attacks
Sasuke cana paralze Cell with genjutsu shackles.

Then naruto can use FRS to destroy every cell in cells body
Or Itachi can use Susano'o to seal Cell away for eternity.

Ichigo and Byuaka can stall

Originally posted by Csdabest
Byaka(cant ever spell his name right. dude with the leaf pedals.
Ichigo
Sasuke
Itachi
Luffy
eneru
Naruto
Pain absorption body

Pain body can absorb all of Cells attacks
Sasuke cana paralze Cell with genjutsu shackles.

Then naruto can use FRS to destroy every cell in cells body
Or Itachi can use Susano'o to seal Cell away for eternity.

Ichigo and Byuaka can stall

Well since cell doesn't have any defense against genjutsu. He should get raped by it. And there is no reason why razor sharp wind shouldnt cut and destroy cells cells. and also no reason why susano shouldnt seal away Cell

Sharp wind < Ki beams capable of disintegrating mountains. A raxor would break on Cell's skin.

Susanno moves as fast as it's summoner, because it follows him. Cell is leagues faster than anyone in Naruto.

Genjutsu is the only hope.

Originally posted by Csdabest
Well since cell doesn't have any defense against genjutsu. He should get raped by it. And there is no reason why razor sharp wind shouldnt cut and destroy cells cells. and also no reason why susano shouldnt seal away Cell

Susano would have to hit. Itachi wouldn't even have time to summon it, and even if he did Cell could just wait for Itachi to die while casually killing the others.

Genjutsu is the only real option. But it could be very possible Cell could dispel it simply by controlling his ki which he can do better than any ninja in Naruto can control their chakra flow.

Cell wouldn't know that you can dispel Genjutsu with chi, though.

Thats why. Sasuke cast Genjutsu Shackles. then Itachi uses Susano. Also wind still access the skin. The wind chakra is sooo thin and small it slips through and destroys the cells. it not like it a sword bashing intom him. its individually destroy the cells

I was just going by his personality. How he never powered up fully until Gohan, and just toyed with Gokou. Knowing they were weak he would probably do something similar. And getting caught in a genjutsu I'd just assume he'd power up more out of anger and not understanding what's going on. Like how Killer Bee went tailed mode when he busted out of Sasuke's genjutus. Course I'm just guessing that's how he broke out by getting more chakra by going tailed-mode.

He broke out. Cuz The tailed beast is a seperat enityt and it has a pact. It acts as the host partner to break him out of genjutsu. Basiclaly having a will of its own that will obey its host.

Originally posted by Kento
I was just going by his personality. How he never powered up fully until Gohan, and just toyed with Gokou. Knowing they were weak he would probably do something similar. And getting caught in a genjutsu I'd just assume he'd power up more out of anger and not understanding what's going on. Like how Killer Bee went tailed mode when he busted out of Sasuke's genjutus. Course I'm just guessing that's how he broke out by getting more chakra by going tailed-mode.

This fight happens when Cell comes back with IT from self destruction. When his Ki aura was crackling everywhere and causing bio electricity to shoot out around him. Think when he killed future Trunks. Cell is pissed, he wont be playing games.

Originally posted by Csdabest
Thats why. Sasuke cast Genjutsu Shackles. then Itachi uses Susano. Also wind still access the skin. The wind chakra is sooo thin and small it slips through and destroys the cells. it not like it a sword bashing intom him. its individually destroy the cells

The cells themselves are strong enough to resist wind. And wind doesn't work that way, that doesn't make any sense.

Naruto doesnt have to make sense

Originally posted by Kento
Under normal circumstances (ie Gohan not angry) yes Vegeta and Gokou can and have surpassed him. But the mystic form didn't amp his power. It just brought forth the hidden power he had when angry. And that alone was enough to put him above ssj3 in base form. That power doesn't fade over time. His hidden power is what I'm talking about that makes him so much more powerful. Gokou and Vegeta are both much more skilled, and willing to fight so in a fight against Gohan they would easily win. But against a threat to their family Gohan would surpass them in power and then afterwards become weaker again.

Firstly, why wouldn't it fade over time? He's used his hidden power in the Saiyan and Cell Sagas. In the Saiyan saga against Raditz, his hidden power is ~1k. In the Cell Saga it's far greater, and in the Buu Saga it's greater still. Therefore, it increases with his base power- so why wouldn't it decrease with it?
Secondly, even if it doesn't decrease (which would make it static), then eventually Vegeta and Goku would outstrip him- by the end of the Buu saga they're both more powerful in their natural state than they were as Super Saiyans at the beginning of the Android Saga. So, even if Gohan's power remains static without training, Goku and Vegeta should be able to outstrip it. Consider the increase in their power in 1 years worth of training in the hyperbolic time chamber. Vegeta continually trains under the highest gravity he can, and Goku isn't exactly slacking off either.

Originally posted by Csdabest
Naruto doesnt have to make sense

It does in debates.

Well thats how the attack works. It wind chakra. So it properties are different. You cant rerange the way an attack works to fit your circumstances

Fuuton • Rasen Shuriken is a Ninjutsu technique utilizing the Wind Element. Rasen Shuriken was developed by Uzumaki Naruto out of the original Fuuton • Rasengan. This spiraling Wind attack has only been seen in a half completed state. But even in this incomplete form, it has wrought massive destruction. With the aid of clones Naruto will form Rasengan and add the Wind Element. Though called "shuriken" the attack is not thrown. The trick name along with the aid of clones who act as a feint allow Naruto to get in close and strike his opponent. The attack itself can only be maintained in his hands for a few seconds time.

Rasen Shuriken is formed by enumerable miniscule small blades which slice into every cell of his target, severing the chakra circulatory channels connecting all the vital points on the body. Once it connects the highly dangerous attack will envelop the target in a massive sphere of destruction. The attack hits the opponent in such a way that it is even beyond the abilities of the Sharingan to copy. Due to its channel severing nature, the result on the body resembles a fast acting poison more than an outright attack. Unfortunately this same damage is done to Naruto's arm. For that reason Tsunade declared it forbidden.

About genjutsu, it technicaly shouldn't work on any one out side of the Narutoverse because it depends on the victim's chakra system which no one out side of Naruto has and this thread is retarded. Cell wins.