ROTS Anakin vs. The Apprentice

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
Anakin being able to beat in you in sabers doesn't make you a bad duelist. In fact, Anakin tooled one of the finest swordsman in history with little effort (Dooku).

Though, I do believe that within the PT, Yoda, Sidious, Mace, and to some extent Obi-wan are capable of defeating Anakin in a duel.

He and Obi Wan got pwned for a while and Dooku was able to easily seperate the two. Anakin won, but not "easily"

Yoda, Sidious and Mace could easily, and Obi Wan already beat him:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSwy412nttI

Anakin won easily against Dooku. Read the novel, he was "in teh Z0ne."

Originally posted by Red Nemesis

I don't want to say that he's weak, but to put him on a level with Yoda, Sidious, Dooku or other real greats seems irresponsible.

What has Dooku ever done to put him above Mace with the force? Mae has more nd better feats, from what I've seen.

That is what i am wondering. Why do people think Dooku is superior to Mace in the force?

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
That is what i am wondering. Why do people think Dooku is superior to Mace in the force?

Because Dooku can launch lightning, and people are like "whoo... Mace never did anything like that".... 🙂

But I think that Mace could easily beat Dooku if he could beat Sidious.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
What has Dooku ever done to put him above Mace with the force? Mae has more nd better feats, from what I've seen.

Urm how about putting Ventress to the floor by merely lifting a finger, whilst Ventress escaped from Mace without too much difficulty in "Schism". The ONLY other Jedi to dominate Ventress SOOOOO Badly is Yoda.

also how about disposing of ROTS Obi1 with a flick of his wrist.
Force tossing The Chosen One on his rear twice in the Clone Wars movie.

and having a Force fight with Yoda, even deflecting one of Yodas attacks, and Yoda didnt actually defeat him in the Force fight(not that he culdnt). But It was only the Saber fight in which Yoda dominated Dooku.

Mace has no such feats agaisnt other Powerful Force users like those feats of Dookus.

and if your talking about Maces TK feats beating Dookus... well in that case Mace's TK feats also beat PT Sidious.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Urm how about putting Ventress to the floor by merely lifting a finger, whilst Ventress escaped from Mace without too much difficulty in "Schism". The ONLY other Jedi to dominate Ventress SOOOOO Badly is Yoda.

also how about disposing of ROTS Obi1 with a flick of his wrist.
Force tossing The Chosen One on his rear twice in the Clone Wars movie.

and having a Force fight with Yoda, even deflecting one of Yodas attacks, and Yoda didnt actually defeat him in the Force fight(not that he culdnt). But It was only the Saber fight in which Yoda dominated Dooku.

Mace has no such feats agaisnt other Powerful Force users like those feats of Dookus.

and if your talking about Maces TK feats beating Dookus... well in that case Mace's TK feats also beat PT Sidious.

Mace blocked Sidious's force lightning.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Mace blocked Sidious's force lightning.

Mace used a unique style that was ideal for the fight against the sith lord- his reflection of the lightning was a function of his saber style.

Upon re-reading your post, I have found 2 more problems: Mace was unable to block the lightning- the novel has him "choking on ozone" without any strength left to fight against his blade, and that was when Palpatine wasn't using his full power.

Also, Kenobi was able to block (your words- not mine) Dooku's force lightning. Blocking lightning isn't a force feat unless you use your hands like Yoda, Kota or Starkiller. Raskta Lsu was able to catch Bane's lightning but it does not show her Force strength.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Mace used a unique style that was ideal for the fight against the sith lord- his reflection of the lightning was a function of his saber style.

No it wasn't.

I wasn't aware AotC Obi-Wan was a Vapaad Master.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
No it wasn't.

I wasn't aware AotC Obi-Wan was a Vapaad Master.

AotC Kenobi didn't reflect the lightning. He caught it just like every other instance of Lightning vs. Saber we've seen. ONLY Mace Windu has ever sent force lightning back at its source with a lightsaber.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
That is what i am wondering. Why do people think Dooku is superior to Mace in the force?

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
AotC Kenobi didn't reflect the lightning. He caught it just like every other instance of Lightning vs. Saber we've seen. ONLY Mace Windu has ever sent force lightning back at its source with a lightsaber.

I misread your post.

I'm sorry babe.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Tooling of Kenobi, Bulq, Ventress, Grievous, and Anakin with the Force, the Count is nigh peerless with the Force in the PT era sans Sidious and Yoda.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
And no Mace would not 'easily' beat someone like Dooku. Dooku has in fact defeated Mace in sabers before, many argue: "well Mace hadn't mastered Vappad yet and became far more powerful after TPM" my answer to that is what do you think the good Count was doing then, sipping tea?

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda

No he was under the tutelage of the greatest Sith Lord in history; his imperial majesty Palpatine. He was recieving the best training the Dark Lords could offer.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda

Mace has never demonstrated the ability to tool another Force user as Dooku has on multiple occasions. He is quite powerful, but Dooku is simply better

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Tooling of Kenobi, Bulq, Ventress, Grievous, and Anakin with the Force, the Count is nigh peerless with the Force in the PT era sans Sidious and Yoda. And no Mace would not 'easily' beat someone like Dooku. Dooku has in fact defeated Mace in sabers before, many argue: "well Mace hadn't mastered Vappad yet and became far more powerful after TPM" my answer to that is what do you think the good Count was doing then, sipping tea? No he was under the tutelage of the greatest Sith Lord in history; his imperial majesty Palpatine. He was recieving the best training the Dark Lords could offer. Mace has never demonstrated the ability to tool another Force user as Dooku has on multiple occasions. He is quite powerful, but Dooku is simply better

I guess Qui Gon is also better than Windu.

As Red said, Mace easlily crushed Grievous with the force. Not too many jedi can claim that accoplishment. Not even Obi Wan.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Tooling of Kenobi, Bulq, Ventress, Grievous, and Anakin with the Force, the Count is nigh peerless with the Force in the PT era sans Sidious and Yoda. And no Mace would not 'easily' beat someone like Dooku. Dooku has in fact defeated Mace in sabers before, many argue: "well Mace hadn't mastered Vappad yet and became far more powerful after TPM" my answer to that is what do you think the good Count was doing then, sipping tea? No he was under the tutelage of the greatest Sith Lord in history; his imperial majesty Palpatine. He was recieving the best training the Dark Lords could offer. Mace has never demonstrated the ability to tool another Force user as Dooku has on multiple occasions. He is quite powerful, but Dooku is simply better

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Urm how about putting Ventress to the floor by merely lifting a finger, whilst Ventress escaped from Mace without too much difficulty in "Schism". The ONLY other Jedi to dominate Ventress SOOOOO Badly is Yoda.

also how about disposing of ROTS Obi1 with a flick of his wrist.
Force tossing The Chosen One on his rear twice in the Clone Wars movie.

and having a Force fight with Yoda, even deflecting one of Yodas attacks, and Yoda didnt actually defeat him in the Force fight(not that he culdnt). But It was only the Saber fight in which Yoda dominated Dooku.

Mace has no such feats agaisnt other Powerful Force users like those feats of Dookus.

and if your talking about Maces TK feats beating Dookus... well in that case Mace's TK feats also beat PT Sidious.

1) Ventress had no way to escape. Dooku slambed her into the wall (i believe). Also i don't believe Ventress expected Dooku to attack her. Dooku hinted that Sidious showed him the same treatment that Dooku showed Ventress. If so would that make Sidious far above Yoda?

2) Mace never fought Obi Wan or Anakin. He did easily take Grievous out with the force. The same Grievous that gave Obi Wan an extremely hard fight... The same Grievous that killed numerous of other jedi, including some masters. Grievous also dodged force attacks from other jedi masters.

3) Yoda never threw any force attacks at Dooku, so what force attack did Dooku deflect? Yoda anly stood there blocking or redirecting everything Dooku threw at him.

4) He defeated Kar Vastor with the force.

5) Do you remember Sidious ripping senate pods from their durasteel restraints, and lifting them high above his head then throwing them at Yoda with ease. He did all this while levitating himself in mid-air, along with the pod he was standing on.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
1) Ventress had no way to escape. Dooku slambed her into the wall (i believe). Also i don't believe Ventress expected Dooku to attack her. Dooku hinted that Sidious showed him the same treatment that Dooku showed Ventress. If so would that make Sidious far above Yoda?

2) Mace never fought Obi Wan or Anakin. He did easily take Grievous out with the force. The same Grievous that gave Obi Wan an extremely hard fight... The same Grievous that killed numerous of other jedi, including some masters. Grievous also dodged force attacks from other jedi masters.

3) Yoda never threw any force attacks at Dooku, so what force attack did Dooku deflect? Yoda anly stood there blocking or redirecting everything Dooku threw at him.

4) He defeated Kar Vastor with the force.

5) Do you remember Sidious ripping senate pods from their durasteel restraints, and lifting them high above his head then throwing them at Yoda with ease. He did all this while levitating himself in mid-air, along with the pod he was standing on.

Originally posted by Lucien A
So he was levitating himself, and the pod he was "standing" on? That was redundent of him, no?

I couldn't think of the right way to word it. I have a hard time at that sometimes.

um guys, i think he means:

That's it Knightfa11, you've pissed me off for the last time. You're fired.

Ah, crap, now I owe Donald Trump $50.