Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
4) He defeated Kar Vastor with the force.
Could you be more specific, I am aware that Mace broke his force grip but when he did defeat Vastor at the end of the book Vastor didn't tryio block the vibroshield with the force so I'm not sure how much of a plus this can be for Mace.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
1) Ventress had no way to escape. Dooku slambed her into the wall (i believe). Also i don't believe Ventress expected Dooku to attack her. Dooku hinted that Sidious showed him the same treatment that Dooku showed Ventress. If so would that make Sidious far above Yoda?
it was in Dark Rendesvouz.. and she was simply paralyazed, and in extreme pain. so theres no way she could have fought back or escaped even if she wanted to. and this was all by simply lifting a finger!
Mace has no such Force feat anywhere. Ventress escaped from him in Schism.. he was only dominating her in Sabers. If he could have paralyzed her with the Force the way Dooku or Yoda have done, then surely he would have to stop her escaping. Therfore Mace has not showed himself to be in Dookus league with the Force. Simple as.
Not to mention Dooku also paralyzed Obi1 mid saber fight. Is there any evidence anywhere that Mace could take a Jedi/Force User as powerful as Obi1 THAT EASILY with the Force?? Nope!
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
2) Mace never fought Obi Wan or Anakin. He did easily take Grievous out with the force. The same Grievous that gave Obi Wan an extremely hard fight... The same Grievous that killed numerous of other jedi, including some masters. Grievous also dodged force attacks from other jedi masters.?
Considering Dookuy dominated GG in their sparring sessions via sabers and via the force, your point proves absolutely nothing.
Not to mention Obi finished his Saber fight with GG via a powerful Force Push after which GG was disarmed and running away from Obi1.
Oh and lets no forget the obvious, which is that GG has no defence against Force attacks, apart from trying to dodge them.
So again Mace has none of the impressive feats against other FORCE USERS that Dooku has. It seems Mace only has impressive feats against those who can not use the Force.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
3) Yoda never threw any force attacks at Dooku, so what force attack did Dooku deflect? Yoda anly stood there blocking or redirecting everything Dooku threw at him.
when Yoda shot back Dooku's lightning at Dooku you honestly dnt think Yoda put his own power into that shot???
And whatever Yodas tactic was in that fight, it doesnt change the fact that he had a Force Fight with Dooku and didnt beat Dooku down. How many other people do you think can even Compete with Yoda in a Force fight??? Mace certainly hasnt proven he can.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
4) He defeated Kar Vastor with the force..
no he didnt. In fact it was Vastor who was tossing Mace around using the Force. That fight is the worst example you could have given prove Maces ability in the Force.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
5) Do you remember Sidious ripping senate pods from their durasteel restraints, and lifting them high above his head then throwing them at Yoda with ease. He did all this while levitating himself in mid-air, along with the pod he was standing on.
Ok Senate pods? and Dooku chucks a massive pillar at Obi1 and Anakin in AOTC, and a massive landing platform at Obi1 in ROTS.
However none Dookus or Sidious's TK Force feats compares to Mace's TK in the CW cartoon, where his massive Force waves take out an entire Driod armada. which is a blatantly exagerated feat of course as Mace wasnt able to replicate this in AOTC.. but either way if your going to use that argument then Mace also beats PT Sidious in TK feats.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
it was in Dark Rendesvouz.. and she was simply paralyazed, and in extreme pain. so theres no way she could have fought back or escaped even if she wanted to. and this was all by simply lifting a finger!Mace has no such Force feat anywhere. Ventress escaped from him in Schism.. he was only dominating her in Sabers. If he could have paralyzed her with the Force the way Dooku or Yoda have done, then surely he would have to stop her escaping. Therfore Mace has not showed himself to be in Dookus league with the Force. Simple as.
Not to mention Dooku also paralyzed Obi1 mid saber fight. Is there any evidence anywhere that Mace could take a Jedi/Force User as powerful as Obi1 THAT EASILY with the Force?? Nope!
Considering Dookuy dominated GG in their sparring sessions via sabers and via the force, your point proves absolutely nothing.
Not to mention Obi finished his Saber fight with GG via a powerful Force Push after which GG was disarmed and running away from Obi1.
Oh and lets no forget the obvious, which is that GG has no defence against Force attacks, apart from trying to dodge them.
So again Mace has none of the impressive feats against other FORCE USERS that Dooku has. It seems Mace only has impressive feats against those who can not use the Force.when Yoda shot back Dooku's lightning at Dooku you honestly dnt think Yoda put his own power into that shot???
And whatever Yodas tactic was in that fight, it doesnt change the fact that he had a Force Fight with Dooku and didnt beat Dooku down. How many other people do you think can even Compete with Yoda in a Force fight??? Mace certainly hasnt proven he can.no he didnt. In fact it was Vastor who was tossing Mace around using the Force. That fight is the worst example you could have given prove Maces ability in the Force.
Ok Senate pods? and Dooku chucks a massive pillar at Obi1 and Anakin in AOTC, and a massive landing platform at Obi1 in ROTS.
However none Dookus or Sidious's TK Force feats compares to Mace's TK in the CW cartoon, where his massive Force waves take out an entire Driod armada. which is a blatantly exagerated feat of course as Mace wasnt able to replicate this in AOTC.. but either way if your going to use that argument then Mace also beats PT Sidious in TK feats.
Your arguement is kinda like saying Obi Wan is stronger than Marka Ragnos, since we never see Ragnos fight anyone powerful. Most of Windu's enemies at that time were battle droids. How many force users are there on the CIS side? How many force users are on the republic's side? Of course Dooku is most likely going to face more force users. Dooku has beaten more force users than Yoda or Sidious has at that time. Does that make him superior to them? Dooku also hinted that Sidious tooled him with the force, the same way Dooku tooled Ventress with the force. So i guess that would mean Sidious is far above Yoda.
And no i do not believe Yoda put any power into the lightning Dooku threw at him. He used Dooku's own power against him. The only power used was absorbing and redirecting.
Think about Dooku's TK feats you listed, and compare them to what Sidious did. I think the senate pods were a greater feat, seeing that Yoda could not even catch them with the force, except for one, barely. Yoda is known for his super speed, but had a hard time dodging all those senate pods coming at him, meaning that not only was Sidious able to throw the senate pods, but also at very great speed.Dooku has never thrown anything that heavy with that kind of speed. Yoda did shrug off all of Dooku's TK attacks, and even caught the pillar.
Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
actually tfu was pretty good. I think he means donald trump's apprentice though. I mean look at the first post. Its a smilie of the creator smoking.
i read it got mixed reviews. besides when i wrote "overrated cashcow" i referred to galen himself.
in that case carry on.
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
That is just common sense. Is anyone really going to argue that Yoda threw his own Sith Lightning at Dooku?
Darth Power was implying that Dooku deflected a force attack from Yoda, when really it was Dooku's own attack he deflected. The point was that Yoda was not attacking Dooku with the force. Obi Wan can stand there throwing things at Yoda, while Yoda shrugs all the attacks. That doesn't mean Obi Wan was a competition.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Darth Power was implying that Dooku deflected a force attack from Yoda, when really it was Dooku's own attack he deflected. The point was that Yoda was not attacking Dooku with the force. Obi Wan can stand there throwing things at Yoda, while Yoda shrugs all the attacks. That doesn't mean Obi Wan was a competition.
Precisely.
Please, when Kotor came out Revan was overrated to a bigger level then Galen ever was.
um i just said he was lucas' next overrated cash cow. i never said he was the biggest,don't make a case out of it.
for the record though. i never saw revan fanboys saying: "he pulled da stardestroya outta da sky!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111!!!!!!!one" galen isn't bad but he's not as great as the fanboys make him seem. and yes i know revan fanboys overrate him too.
Originally posted by sigma-ct42
um i just said he was lucas' next overrated cash cow. i never said he was the biggest,don't make a case out of it.for the record though. i never saw revan fanboys saying: "he pulled da stardestroya outta da sky!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111!!!!!!!one" galen isn't bad but he's not as great as the fanboys make him seem. and yes i know revan fanboys overrate him too.
My bad I didn't see your first post on the subject so I apologize for that. It is a lot easier to silence any Galen fanboys (which surprisingly I haven't see all that many on here) due to the novel, that Vader nearly killed him on Corellia and the fact that he actually died helps. From what I understand the star destroyer was already falling and he redirected its flightpath.
But I can't count how many times I heard people saying that Revan is the "heart of the force," that he never truly fell to the darkside even when he was a sith, you get the idea.
My bad I didn't see your first post on the subject so I apologize for that.it's alright.i probably could have responded in a better fashion,i just didn't feel like an argument.
From what I understand the star destroyer was already falling and he redirected its flightpath.
you are correct. though despite it being an obvious fact some galen fanboys still believe he pulled it from the sky.which annoys me greatly.
But I can't count how many times I heard people saying that Revan is the "heart of the force," that he never truly fell to the darkside even when he was a sith, you get the idea.
but is that honestly as bad as:
HE PULL SHIP OUT OF DA SKY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111111ONE
or HE RAPED VADEH. or.......HE RAGDOLLED DA EMPERA......imagine that in every single character battle. now i admit i've never had to deal with revan fanboys...
Originally posted by sigma-ct42You wouldn't like us very much. We can doooo things. I can make gideon, ls, faunus, and Red Nemesis come unhinged pretty easily. y'see, its all part of the plan, even if the plan is something horrible. when someone says that faunus and eunylus are going to get in a debate over vader vs marek, or that gideon is going to own some weak debator (or a strong one for that matter), everyone's fine. But when I say I'm going to use my intelligence for revan in a revan vs palpatine thread, EVERYONE STARTS LOSING THEIR MIND! sorry. It's probably cause i'm buzzed again that I had to write a parody.
i admit i've never had to deal with revan fanboys...