ROTS Anakin vs. The Apprentice

Originally posted by sigma-ct42
you are correct. though despite it being an obvious fact some galen fanboys still believe he pulled it from the sky.which annoys me greatly.

but is that honestly as bad as:

HE PULL SHIP OUT OF DA SKY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111111ONE
or HE RAPED VADEH. or.......HE RAGDOLLED DA EMPERA......imagine that in every single character battle. now i admit i've never had to deal with revan fanboys...

Meh, I know the novel makes the vader fight more diffiuclt than the game makes it out to be, as far as the emperor goes I would say that the emperor was feigning weakness which Galen evens says in the cutscene and I would quote this from the official databank Lightsabers clashed inside the Emperor's observation dome, but Starkiller was ultimately no match for the power of Darth Sidious.

Meh, I know the novel makes the vader fight more diffiuclt than the game makes it out to be, as far as the emperor goes I would say that the emperor was feigning weakness which Galen evens says in the cutscene and I would quote this from the official databank Lightsabers clashed inside the Emperor's observation dome, but Starkiller was ultimately no match for the power of Darth Sidious.

i just wish it was easy to make people see that.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Because Dooku can launch lightning, and people are like "whoo... Mace never did anything like that".... 🙂

But I think that Mace could easily beat Dooku if he could beat Sidious.

ya but I thought it is stated somewhere that Mace and Dooku were equals

Originally posted by sigma-ct42
i read it got mixed reviews. besides when i wrote "overrated cashcow" i referred to galen himself.

in that case carry on.

lol maybe cuz he's GAYlen

Originally posted by kotorfan
ya but I thought it is stated somewhere that Mace and Dooku were equals

Mace beat Sidious

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Mace beat Sidious

Duh.

He knows all, y'know.

Galen Marek FTW.

He lasted the longest against a head-on blast of lightning from Sidious.

And then died from it...

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Your arguement is kinda like saying Obi Wan is stronger than Marka Ragnos, since we never see Ragnos fight anyone powerful. Most of Windu's enemies at that time were battle droids. How many force users are there on the CIS side? How many force users are on the republic's side? Of course Dooku is most likely going to face more force users.

has anyone else noticed the hypocricy in this argument?? Sidious66 is saying that because weve not seen Mace take out other powerful force users out with just the Force like Dooku has, does not mean he cant.. he says Mace can do these things we just havent seen it yet..

and yet his argument for Mace being so uber and superior with the force to Dooku is the CW mini cartoon where Mace takes on an armada of droids, using Force TK(something he culdnt do in AOTC but never mind). well guess what?? weve never seen Dooku take on an armada of droids before either!!! so by your own argument that proves nothing! so stop using hypocricy, if u apply an argument for Mace, then the same applies vice versa for Dooku.

Neway proof that Dookus Force Mastery is superior is the 2 opponents that both Mace and Dooku have faced. Asajj Ventress and Sora Bulq. Though Mace was can comftobly beat both(especially Ventress) he did not take out either ANY WHERE NEAR as easily as Dooku, solely due to Dookus superior Force powers. He renders Bulq completley unconcious with his Force Lightning mid saber fight, and just compleltey paralayzes Ventress by lifting a finger. If Mace could do this then neither of those 2 would have escaped in Schism. ALso Dark Rendezvous calls Dooku the Temples "Most Learned in the Ways of the Force.." whens Mace's Force mastery been described as the best or most learned anywhere??

so thats it. Mace may or may not be Dookus superior in Sabers but all the evidence suggests Dooku is his superior in Force Mastery. Deal with it.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Darth Power was implying that Dooku deflected a force attack from Yoda, when really it was Dooku's own attack he deflected. The point was that Yoda was not attacking Dooku with the force. Obi Wan can stand there throwing things at Yoda, while Yoda shrugs all the attacks. That doesn't mean Obi Wan was a competition.

yeah except that wuldnt happen because in a Force fight with Obi1 Yoda would just instantly paralyze Obi1 like he did to Ventress. Especially if it was his mission to stop Obi1.

and watch the scene again where Yoda shoots the FL back at Dooku. He pushes his hand forward suggesting hes putting his own force into it as well.

seriously your making Yoda out to be a complete idiot. Just standing there doing nothing to stop Dooku when he apparantly easily could??? clearly Yoda wasnt too bothered about the Clone Wars starting??!!

Now Yoda is significantly superior to Dooku in the Force. But Dooku has proved hes one of the very elite who can even COMPETE with Yoda in the Force. Again deal with it.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
has anyone else noticed the hypocricy in this argument?? Sidious66 is saying that because weve not seen Mace take out other powerful force users out with just the Force like Dooku has, does not mean he cant.. he says Mace can do these things we just havent seen it yet..

We see dooku taking out more force users than Sidious, so i guess he is more powerful.

and yet his argument for Mace being so uber and superior with the force to Dooku is the CW mini cartoon where Mace takes on an armada of droids, using Force TK(something he culdnt do in AOTC but never mind).

So because he didn't do so in AOTC, makes him doing so in CW non-canon. Besides it would have been foolish of him to use a massive wave in AOTC with a lot of jedi standing within his radius.

Did you read my other post where i quoted the directer of CW, stating that Windu was second to Yoda in terms of power.

well guess what?? weve never seen Dooku take on an armada of droids before either!!! so by your own argument that proves nothing! so stop using hypocricy, if u apply an argument for Mace, then the same applies vice versa for Dooku.

You are the only one using that arguement. I never said Mace taking out the droids automatically made him Dooku's superior. I used it as an example of how powerful Mace was.

Neway proof that Dookus Force Mastery is superior is the 2 opponents that both Mace and Dooku have faced. Asajj Ventress and Sora Bulq. Though Mace was can comftobly beat both(especially Ventress) he did not take out either ANY WHERE NEAR as easily as Dooku, solely due to Dookus superior Force powers. He renders Bulq completley unconcious with his Force Lightning mid saber fight, and just compleltey paralayzes Ventress by lifting a finger.

Dooku greatly hints that Sidious took him out with the force the same way the same way Dooku did Ventress. So, again, would that make Sidious greater than Yoda, since Yoda did not take Dooku out the the force

If Mace could do this then neither of those 2 would have escaped in Schism. ALso Dark Rendezvous calls Dooku the Temples "Most Learned in the Ways of the Force.." whens Mace's Force mastery been described as the best or most learned anywhere??

Well the directer of CW says he is second to Yoda, and that he is "the number two most powerful". Also GL says you have to be either Yoda or Windu to even compete with Sidious. Oh yeah and a full potential Anakin.

so thats it. Mace may or may not be Dookus superior in Sabers but all the evidence suggests Dooku is his superior in Force Mastery. Deal with it.

I just brought out proof he wasn't. Unless you claim to have more authority over the SW universe than the directer of CW.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
We see dooku taking out more force users than Sidious, so i guess he is more powerful.

So because he didn't do so in AOTC, makes him doing so in CW non-canon. Besides it would have been foolish of him to use a massive wave in AOTC with a lot of jedi standing within his radius.

Did you read my other post where i quoted the directer of CW, stating that Windu was second to Yoda in terms of power.

Not that it matters; Mace may be the second most powerful Jedi, but Dooku is no longer a Jedi. He is a Sith Lord who has the benefit of being the "best" student to come out of the Temple in recent times.

Well the directer of CW says he is second to Yoda, and that he is "the number two most powerful". Also GL says you have to be either Yoda or Windu to even compete with Sidious. Oh yeah and a full potential Anakin.

According to Gideon, who cites some visual guide or another, Sidious killed Agen and Saesee before Mace knew what happened. Had the two been alone before Mace had managed to sink into Vaapad, Palpatine would've probably slaughtered him.

ABC arguments don't work.

I just brought out proof he wasn't. Unless you claim to have more authority over the SW universe than the directer of CW.

guys, let's for now just save Mace & Dooku 4 another threat, Anakin vs. Starkiller.

The consensus on that has already been presented, hasn't it?

Starkiller.

Originally posted by Faunus
That's the exact same logic you're using on the other thread. Make up your mind.

If you notice i am actually being sarcastic, and using his own logic against him.

Since when is the word of a LucasArts worker not named Lucas canon?

What?

Not that it matters; Mace may be the second most powerful Jedi, but Dooku is no longer a Jedi. He is a Sith Lord who has the benefit of being the "best" student to come out of the Temple in recent times.

Except he didn't say jedi. He said number 2 most powerful, period.

It reminds of how people argue that the Statement " Sidious is the most powerful sith" can mean of his time only.

Mace has Vaapad. Dooku does not.

Oh so Lucas was refering to Mace's vaapad, which is still a force accomplishment.

According to Gideon, who cites some visual guide or another, Sidious killed Agen and Saesee before Mace knew what happened. Had the two been alone before Mace had managed to sink into Vaapad, Palpatine would've probably slaughtered him.

So if Sidious was able to kill Windu that fast, Windu would not be a competition, thus making GL wrong.

ABC arguments don't work.

Im not the one using arguements like " So and so can defeat so and so, because they beat more force users, even though there were hardly any force users for Mace to fight".

DOOKU IS NOT A JEDI.

He did not specifically say second most powerful jedi. He said second most powerful.

The burden of proof is on you to prove he was refering to only jedi.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
If you notice i am actually being sarcastic, and using his own logic against him.

Originally posted by Lucien A
Nice try pal, every sarcastic or rhetorical remark thrown at you, you've taken literally.

Which remarks are you refering to?

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Which remarks are you refering to?

he's referring to these

That's them.