As a big Vegeta fan, I hated Goku till somewhere along the android saga. I didn't like him at all till somewhere in the Buu saga. I like him more now that its all over and I can look back on it, I respect him. but as for being a father or a husband, Goku is terrible. I can't tell you how annoyed I was that once again Goku was leaving his family and this time it was some bullshit reason like to train with some kid. and don't get me started on Goku throwing his barely teenage son into the lions den against Cell.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
So Goku is an evil person who doesn't love his children and all of the many times he saved their lives was just done for some wierd reason?
I didn't say that, he is a great person, totally selfless yadda yadda yadda, but he was just a terrible father and an even worse husband. He didn't do it on purpose and he didn't realize how shitty he was in those roles but he still was. Sayains in general are probably meant to be like that but even Vegeta adapted eventually. oh yeah and he was a shitty friend too unless someone was about to blow up the world.
Originally posted by TheBadguy
As a big Vegeta fan, I hated Goku till somewhere along the android saga. I didn't like him at all till somewhere in the Buu saga. I like him more now that its all over and I can look back on it, I respect him. but as for being a father or a husband, Goku is terrible. I can't tell you how annoyed I was that once again Goku was leaving his family and this time it was some bullshit reason like to train with some kid. and don't get me started on Goku throwing his barely teenage son into the lions den against Cell.
Well about that he did it for the the good of the world. He knew that he may die against Cell hence the night of sex for Goten. He knew Gohan's potential and figured that if he couldn't do it then Gohan was the next best person for the job so he trained him in order to do it. He can't be that bad of a father if he came back to help his son from the dead. Whats the point of being a stay at home dad taking care of your family when the world is about be destroyed?
"Oh sorry Cell/Vegeta/Frieza/Buu I can't fight you and defend the world including my family because I have to spend some quality time with my family."
Originally posted by TheBadguy
I didn't say that, he is a great person, totally selfless yadda yadda yadda, but he was just a terrible father and an even worse husband. He didn't do it on purpose and he didn't realize how shitty he was in those roles but he still was. Sayains in general are probably meant to be like that but even Vegeta adapted eventually. oh yeah and he was a shitty friend too unless someone was about to blow up the world.
What about how he saved Gohan's life during the Namek, Freiza, Android, Cell games and bassinet every saga?
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Well about that he did it for the the good of the world. He knew that he may die against Cell hence the night of sex for Goten. He knew Gohan's potential and figured that if he couldn't do it then Gohan was the next best person for the job so he trained him in order to do it. He can't be that bad of a father if he came back to help his son from the dead. Whats the point of being a stay at home dad taking care of your family when the world is about be destroyed?"Oh sorry Cell/Vegeta/Frieza/Buu I can't fight you and defend the world including my family because I have to spend some quality time with my family."
The only time Goku ever bothered was when the world was in danger. In times of peace either ran off to live with some kid or he was staying dead so he could train and fight in heaven. In all those years he didn't even bother to comeback and see his son for the first time, he cameback to fight in a tournament. In 10 years he had only seen his friends once and they had to come find him, the guy who knows Instant Transmission. Against Cell he bs'd his way through, he didn't even try. From the beginning he was planning to just throw it all in his kids lap.
1. Let his son get drunk
2. Let his son miss tons of school
3. Let his son almost get killed
4. Let his son go to namek by himself
5. Left him fatherless for years to come
6. At the end of GT left his son to do Goku.
7. Bitched Slapped Chichi into a house
8. Let him hang around master rochi
many the list goes on
Originally posted by TheBadguy
The only time Goku ever bothered was when the world was in danger. In times of peace either ran off to live with some kid or he was staying dead so he could train and fight in heaven. In all those years he didn't even bother to comeback and see his son for the first time, he cameback to fight in a tournament. In 10 years he had only seen his friends once and they had to come find him, the guy who knows Instant Transmission. Against Cell he bs'd his way through, he didn't even try. From the beginning he was planning to just throw it all in his kids lap.
Like I said because he wanted his son to be able to defend the world in case he was to ever die. He needed him to be ready to accept that responsibility. You can not fault him for training to be stronger for a couple of reasons.
1. it's in his nature as a Saiyan, they are a warrior race so it is instinct.
2. He had to make sure he was strong enough to take on any challenge that comes his way.
He didn't have much of a choice when he was dead, he couldn't just walk out and return to his life.
Originally posted by Csdabest
1. Let his son get drunk
2. Let his son miss tons of school
3. Let his son almost get killed
4. Let his son go to namek by himself
5. Left him fatherless for years to come
6. At the end of GT left his son to do Goku.
7. Bitched Slapped Chichi into a house
8. Let him hang around master rochimany the list goes on
1. When did he let Gohan get drunk?
2. Let him miss school so he could train to protect the world.
3. When did he let him almost get killed.
4A. Wasn't he hospitalized? There was some reason why he didn't go at first.
4B. Namek is supposed to be a peaceful planet they didn't know Frieza would bet there.
4C. He didn't let him go alone. Krillin and Bulma went as well.
5. You do know that he didn't have enough fuel in Frieza's ship to go so he had to learn how to IT and train at whatever planet he was at?
6. GT doesn't count besides they were both grown at the end of GT.
7. When did he slap her?
8. What is your point?
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Like I said because he wanted his son to be able to defend the world in case he was to ever die. He needed him to be ready to accept that responsibility. You can not fault him for training to be stronger for a couple of reasons.1. it's in his nature as a Saiyan, they are a warrior race so it is instinct.
2. He had to make sure he was strong enough to take on any challenge that comes his way.He didn't have much of a choice when he was dead, he couldn't just walk out and return to his life.
Yes I can. His son was barely a teenager, you can train him all you want but I can definitely fault him for putting the fate of the universe in a kids hands when he clearly wasn't ready, and while he was still more than capable. If he had bothered to actually know his son he would have known that Gohan just isn't that guy. Piccolo knew it and Goku eventually realized he was wrong. He had plenty of choice, Goku had zipped around between Earth, Heaven, and Hell on whims all the time with IT. and even without that he was able to get strings pulled to let him comeback for the tournament but he didn't bother with that to comeback and see his son whom had never even seen him before.
Goku smacking ChiChi through the house, a tree and a boulder
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Pretty sure Vegeta is a better father than Goku is.
Let's compare how they react when their sons are in mortal danger.
Vegeta:
Goes berserk when Trunks is killed by Cell.
Goku:
Slacks off at training because he's "confident Gohan can beat Cell".
Vegeta:
Sacrifices himself in an attempt to destroy Majin Buu for the sake of his family and friends.
Goku: Saves a shameless fraud instead of his own sons when Buu blows up the earth.
Eh Gohan, Vegeta, and Mr. Satan are also.
Gokou is just a bad father and husband. Him saving the day has nothing to do with him being either one of those. And in times of peace he doesn't even talk with his friends since at the beginning of Z they didn't even know he had a 4 year old son. I think the only thing that kept the Son and Brief family together at EoZ was Goten and Trunks.
Originally posted by Kento
And in times of peace he doesn't even talk with his friends since at the beginning of Z they didn't even know he had a 4 year old son. I think the only thing that kept the Son and Brief family together at EoZ was Goten and Trunks.
and at the end of dbz after the 10 years pass, none of his friends even see him for the whole 10 years. Even longer for Tien/Yamcha/Choautzu whom he never sees. Bulma and Vegeta had to come find him.
Originally posted by TheBadguyWhich is why I think the only reason the Son/Briefs family stayed connected was because Goten and Trunks. Seeing as how the only reunion they had was five years before EoZ that wasn't shown, which Gokou didn't go to anyway.
and at the end of dbz after the 10 years pass, none of his friends even see him for the whole 10 damn years. Even longer for Tien/Yamcha/Choautzu whom he never sees. Bulma and Vegeta had to come find him.
And Tien never sees anybody. He left and never talked to anybody as soon as Gokou died. He's as bad as Gokou when it comes to that stuff. Though the only true friend he actually has is probably Chiaotzu anyway though and they are always together.
Goku is just a social dick, even to his family, his friends as well.
While alive, if the universe isn't about to get blown up, the guy with Instant Transmission who can pinpoint people weaker than alot of his friends from across the universe, can't spare some time to go see them.
He pretty much just watched as Gohan was having the shit kicked out of him by Cell, and slacked off during training because he thought Gohan would take the challenge and everything would be alright. Including himself, at least 3 people died the day of the tournament.
Goku actually wanted to stay dead, despite what his family and friends would have wanted. Leaving Chi-Chi husbandless, and Gohan and the soon-to-be born Goten fatherless.
He never respects his wife's wishes. I mean, seriously, she asks him not to do something, he'll do it anyway. Like letting their son skip school to train. She's her son too.
He slapped her through a wall, a boulder, and a tree. Lol.
