Sora vs Kratos

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
No, it's vs. bosses. Kratos in KH would be a boss (unless if you think kratos is weak enough to be a regular enemy), and Sora in GoW would be a boss (because Sora > an undead dude w/a sword).

How is someone that can hurl skyscrapers, beat titans and take hits from hercules weak?

That "big key" one shotted skyscrapers and hurt gods. And blocked lightsaber like weapons.

he also beat Xemnas, who had low level reality warping feats. And Sepheroth (sp?) who could bust planets

2. He has never thrown a skyscraper, he has never in canon fought a Greek God(not to mention that is not a strength feat), and has not been proven to have fought Hercules, and if he did...Who cares? Hercules whose only feat is wrestling a big three headed dog, something Kratos does regularly and with no effort. Movie feats do not count.

3. It has NEVER one shot a Skyscraper, and the only characters who are "Gods" in their own rights would be Jafar, Hades, Xemnas, and Xehanort's Heartless, all of which have, you guessed it, inferior feats to Kratos! 😱 Not to mention he had help fighting all of them.

4. Sephiroth in KH, or even Final Fantasy 7 for that matter, cannot bust a planet, and never has. Xemnas had VERY low level reality warping feats, nothing on par with Kratos.

Wanna play a who beat who war, Kratos fought Zeus while Zeus was using Blade of Olympus, which defeated all the Titans in one blow in a blast that was above nuke level in power output.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
He basically was. Did you see anything that disproved that?

Obviously he was not, could not kill Kratos for good, second time lost to Kratos, his powers cannot interfere with the Fate's, all that happy crap.

Not even myth Zeus is omnipotent.

I see. Thanks a lot for breaking my balls. Still GOW Zeus is pretty much way above those Disney Greek Gods. Also I still don't think that KH Cloud, Sephiroth and etc are exactly the same as their FF counterparts seeing as that would mean that FFVII and KH are linked and KH is a continuation of it.

GOW Zeus wielding the BoO has one feat, and it is better than anyone in KH's.

And yeah, FF characters are not equal to their KH counterparts, obviously.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
GOW Zeus wielding the BoO has one feat, and it is better than anyone in KH's.

And yeah, FF characters are not equal to their KH counterparts, obviously.

Just as I thought so this guy's claim about Sora beating a planet buster is now moot.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
No, it's vs. bosses. Kratos in KH would be a boss (unless if you think kratos is weak enough to be a regular enemy), and Sora in GoW would be a boss (because Sora > an undead dude w/a sword).

How is someone that can hurl skyscrapers, beat titans and take hits from hercules weak?

That "big key" one shotted skyscrapers and hurt gods. And blocked lightsaber like weapons.

he also beat Xemnas, who had low level reality warping feats. And Sepheroth (sp?) who could bust planets

Keep in mind that if you're going by gamelay feats, it takes Sora literally hundreds of strikes to kill some bosses.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Movie is not the game.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
I haven't seen anything in KH that puts the enemies at or above a god.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
in a blast that was above nuke level in power output.

When was this said?

and dont forget, that did not kill the Titans, merely weakened them enough to imprisonment, the game doesnt make much sense in that area since I still dont see how the small Olympions imprisoned half of the titans...

Originally posted by YXKAPE
Disney characters in KH are based right off the movies. 😉

Not that god isn't just a mere title.

2. Then why bring it up?

Originally posted by YXKAPE
Disney characters in KH are based right off the movies. 😉

Not that god isn't just a mere title.

Well how did Simba manage to defeat Scar if he is that powerful? Wasn't Hercules depressed about something in that game?

Basically movie feats can't be counted for their KH counterparts.

Both in typical debating as a rule between debators (because its ridiculous) but as also a forum rule. No feat out of the game itself is canon for that character.

Strength: Tie. Sora can throw skyscrapers (he DID when in that vacuum place) and Kratos temporarily wrestled w/Atlas, who could lift up the earth.

Speed/reflexes: Sora, he can block lasers and teleport.

Brutality: ...you guess

Intelligence: Sora easily, Kratos is from ancient times and therefore probably thinks the world is flat.

Magic: Kratos, Sora's magic is unoriginal and not as powerful as "turning to stone" powers.

Gameplay button presses: Sora, because you can do it automaticlly and you don't have to press the button very hard/fast.

Feats: Both have their own super feats.

And yes, Sora DID fight, and beat Hercules:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUooYmw5WEc

and Hercules was shown to throw a TITAN without much effort.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
He basically was. Did you see anything that disproved that?

Kratos beat him. It took him so long to beat the Titans (if he were omnipotent he could just snap his fingers). He stumbled when Olympus shaked.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Sora is still physically really weak, what he can do with his Keyblade is not physical strength.

2. He has never thrown a skyscraper, he has never in canon fought a Greek God(not to mention that is not a strength feat), and has not been proven to have fought Hercules, and if he did...Who cares? Hercules whose only feat is wrestling a big three headed dog, something Kratos does regularly and with no effort. Movie feats do not count.

3. It has NEVER one shot a Skyscraper, and the only characters who are "Gods" in their own rights would be Jafar, Hades, Xemnas, and Xehanort's Heartless, all of which have, you guessed it, inferior feats to Kratos! 😱 Not to mention he had help fighting all of them.

4. Sephiroth in KH, or even Final Fantasy 7 for that matter, cannot bust a planet, and never has. Xemnas had VERY low level reality warping feats, nothing on par with Kratos.

Wanna play a who beat who war, Kratos fought Zeus while Zeus was using Blade of Olympus, which defeated all the Titans in one blow in a blast that was above nuke level in power output.

Sora DID fling a skyscraper in another part of the Xemnas battle. And Sora has reaction commands which are instant whereas Kratos you have to press 0 very fast

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUooYmw5WEc

Axel frove time. Xemnas >> Axel.

He tricked Zeus

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Strength: Tie. Sora can throw skyscrapers (he DID when in that vacuum place) and Kratos temporarily wrestled w/Atlas, who could lift up the earth. all he did was push apart Atlas' two fingers, Atlas has not shown strength feats with merely two fingers his whole strength level cannot be attributed to them thats for sure. We also dont know if Atlas was putting all his strength into squishing kratos

Speed/reflexes: Sora, he can block lasers and teleport.

Brutality: ...you guess

Intelligence: Sora easily, Kratos is from ancient times and therefore probably thinks the world is flat. that is not an important part in intelligence, now if we take into consideration combat/battle information, knowledge of an enemy, understanding of combat etc, Kratos wins by a landslide, Kratos beliving the world is flat is irrelvent in battle

Magic: Kratos, Sora's magic is unoriginal and not as powerful as "turning to stone" powers.

Gameplay button presses: Sora, because you can do it automaticlly and you don't have to press the button very hard/fast.

Feats: Both have their own super feats.

And yes, Sora DID fight, and beat Hercules:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUooYmw5WEc

and Hercules was shown to throw a TITAN without much effort.
but was Sora shown beating Hercules OUTSIDE of GAMEPLAY?

Ive made some ammendments, bolded my changes

Sora's keyblade can't even destroy his enemies clothing, and doesn't damage walls. He can't hurt Kratos.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Strength: Tie. Sora can throw skyscrapers (he DID when in that vacuum place) and Kratos temporarily wrestled w/Atlas, who could lift up the earth.

Speed/reflexes: Sora, he can block lasers and teleport.

Brutality: ...you guess

Intelligence: Sora easily, Kratos is from ancient times and therefore probably thinks the world is flat.

Magic: Kratos, Sora's magic is unoriginal and not as powerful as "turning to stone" powers.

Gameplay button presses: Sora, because you can do it automaticlly and you don't have to press the button very hard/fast.

Feats: Both have their own super feats.

And yes, Sora DID fight, and beat Hercules:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUooYmw5WEc

and Hercules was shown to throw a TITAN without much effort.

So a skyscraper's weight is equal to Atlas? A skyscraper's weight is equal to that huge ass stone olympian that was forcing all of its weight on Kratos who still managed to push it back?

Considering Skyscrapers are also hollow buildings, it's not that great of a feat.

And considering that Sora's cutting power isn't enough to actually cut people, it's an even lesser feat.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Strength: Tie. Sora can throw skyscrapers (he DID when in that vacuum place) and Kratos temporarily wrestled w/Atlas, who could lift up the earth.

Speed/reflexes: Sora, he can block lasers and teleport.

Brutality: ...you guess

Intelligence: Sora easily, Kratos is from ancient times and therefore probably thinks the world is flat.

Magic: Kratos, Sora's magic is unoriginal and not as powerful as "turning to stone" powers.

Gameplay button presses: Sora, because you can do it automaticlly and you don't have to press the button very hard/fast.

Feats: Both have their own super feats.

And yes, Sora DID fight, and beat Hercules:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUooYmw5WEc

and Hercules was shown to throw a TITAN without much effort.

Speed: And...How fast were those "lasers." They were not even lasers, they were balls of light, i.e. NOT LIGHTSPEED. Kratos deflects ACTUAL lightning, from the God of the respective element. And Sora has never teleported in canon. Only when doing some homosexual reaction command. In the cutscenes, Sora is not that fast, just watch his fight with Roxas.

Intelligence: Shit logic. I guess that means random joe smoe would have superior tactics in a battle against Alexander the Great or Genghis Kong because of the different time periods? Kratos is a war commander with real battle experience and won battles despite being outnumbered, he takes the only kind of intelligence that is relevant to battle.

Gameplay: Crap to use, but circle, Triangle, Kratos wins.

Durability: Thought I would add this, Kratos easy, sent flying over a mile through several feet of concrete ceiling, and then had a threesome. That's 1337.

Feats: And Kratos' are better.

K. Now show me a single time in CANON.

Not in the game he didn't.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Sora DID fling a skyscraper in another part of the Xemnas battle. And Sora has reaction commands which are instant whereas Kratos you have to press 0 very fast

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUooYmw5WEc

Axel frove time. Xemnas >> Axel.

He tricked Zeus

Axel has never frozen time...Unless you mean that bullshit he did in the VIRTUAL(not real) world, which any Nobody can do.

And crap logic, since character A can do feat C, and character B>A, Character B can also do feat C. Bullshit.

Not when he fought the Blade of Olympus the first two or three times.