Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta vs. All of DB

Started by Dark-Jaxx5 pages

Originally posted by yungz22
i didnt say he was slow i said he wasnt as fast as ssj2. ssj2 has been known to one shot people. mainly punching them through the stomach.Each of these characters were not weak(fiiler or canon) brolly hasnt one shotted anybody but weaklings like those slaves and his father.

therefore it concludes that brolly<ssj2 the complete form of ussj

Broly one shotted Vegeta. His only real hit on him took him out.

And that is shit logic, because he hasn't one shot people he is weaker? Broly toys with opponents before killing them.

And Broly one shot a galaxy.

broly one shot a galaxy is stupid..if he is that powerfull..he wouldn't get one shot by goku..

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
I didn't realise USSJ made you:
1. 10 feet tall
2. So durable you can tank Kamehamehas from inches away
3. Faster than SSJs
4. About 700-800 pounds of raw muscle
5. Become more powerful the longer you are in the form

Yeah, it is no USSJ.

And you are using canon feats and happenings to compare to a noncanon character who took place in a noncanon "What If" event. They cannot be compared so easily.

1. USSJ increases in size compared to normal height. Trunks and Goku's are less dramatic, but it's still an increase.

2. That depends on the relative strength of the Kamehameha and the user, not the form itself. E.g. A Big Bang Kamehameha from SSJ4 Gogeta would leave nothing but ashes if Broly tried blocking it, while a Kamehameha from Master Roshi would do nothing at all even from point blank range. The USSJ doesn't confer immunity from Kamehameha, neither does LSSJ. It's just a matter of power.

3. For Trunks etc USSJ does do that. But clearly Broly != Trunks. I'd say that the speed is an attribute unique to Broly, and not the form. He can use USSJ and still be faster than a non-legendary Saiyan in SSJ. I guess that one comes down to whether you're defining Broly as the definition of the LSSJ "form". Seeing as it can't be attained by others though, I think that it's a combination of Broly, the LSSJ, using the USSJ form (far mor effectively than anyone else could, because he always fights like that and so would be used to it as well).

4. That's exactly WHY I think it's USSJ form. The hallmark of the USSJ is an enormous increase in muscle mass and strength.

5. Again, I think that's just part of Broly not the form. And technically, all Saiyans become more powerful the longer they're in Super Saiyan form- it places stress on the body, and they'd normally be fighting if they were in that form anyway. Either way, this results in an increase in strength. Broly's is simply much more drastic.

I guess if the Supreme Kai didn't know about the LSSJ's then that's different.
Even so I see no reason that Goku and Vegeta would not have surpassed him by the EoZ. If you take any 2 points in the canon timeline, both will be considerably stronger in the later of the 2 points. Broly is hardly ever fighting equals, or people stronger than him, and i doubt he trains under >500G. He's got no reason to, as he never encounters anyone equal to him in power.
Seeing as it's a non-canon "what if" thing tho, we can't know if Broly becomes more powerful with time. But Vegeta and Goku at EoZ seem a lot stronger than they were in the Broly movie.

Only durability and power do not directly correlate.

have u ever seen a guy who have enough power to destroy a galaxy get one shot..it's just plain stupid..the one shooting galaxy thing should have never been brought up..

broly <= ssj2..

Originally posted by Slaanesh
have u ever seen a guy who have enough power to destroy a galaxy get one shot..it's just plain stupid..the one shooting galaxy thing should have never been brought up..

broly <= ssj2..

I have seen guys who can collapse universes by thinking too much.

Despite the evidence that it is not?

did that guy get one shot??did that guy have raw power like broly??

what evidence??

Originally posted by Slaanesh
did that guy get one shot??did that guy have raw power like broly??

what evidence??

No, he was invincible, but you want a better example?

Other DBZ characters. 🙂

Characters like Cell can one shot planets, but it took alot less to kill him.

Evidence that he is physically stronger, more powerful, and more durable?

[QUOTE=11276185]Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Broly one shotted Vegeta. His only real hit on him took him out.

And that is shit logic, because he hasn't one shot people he is weaker? Broly toys with opponents before killing them.

And Broly one shot a galaxy. [/QUOTE

i meant the people he one shotted were not weak enemies any of the cell juniors had the power to kill goku and the rest except gohan. The people gohan one shotted were strong is all im saying

FOR THE LAST TIME BROLLY NEVER ONE SHOTTED THE GALAXY ITS A TIMELAPSE OF THE GALAXY BEING DESTROYED OVER TIME. the galaxy was destroyed in such an erratic way that it couldnt have been one shot. we have sen what ki blasts do filler and canon and none of them showed the results of how the galaxy was destoryed. Hence the fact it wasnt one shot but destroyed over time

Watch this vid from 0:08 to 0:15

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
No, he was invincible, but you want a better example?

Other DBZ characters. 🙂

Characters like Cell can one shot planets, but it took alot less to kill him.

Evidence that he is physically stronger, more powerful, and more durable?

Cell can one shot planets but it took a fully ascended saiyan (one who completed the transformation of gaining strength without losing speed) to kill him.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
No, he was invincible, but you want a better example?

Other DBZ characters. 🙂

Characters like Cell can one shot planets, but it took alot less to kill him.

Evidence that he is physically stronger, more powerful, and more durable?

r u comparing planets to galaxy...
a guy who can one shot a galaxy..can never be one shot by a guy who at best can one shot a planet..
broly got one shot by goku who at best can one shot a planet..that's why i said the one shooting galaxy thing is plain stupid..if he has the power to do that..he would have never get one shot by goku..

what do u mean a lot less to kill cell??he was kill by someone with equal power..

Originally posted by yungz22
Cell can one shot planets but it took a fully ascended saiyan (one who completed the transformation of gaining strength without losing speed) to kill him.

USSJ is a different form to Super Saiyan 2, which was what Gohan was when he destroyed Cell. Gohan never learns how to do USSJ, because Goku knows that it won't work against Cell. I think USSJ is sort of an extension of SSJ 1, whereas SSJ2 is, although in appearance quite similar to SSJ1, actually a separate and distinct form.

Originally posted by jimBOFH
USSJ is a different form to Super Saiyan 2, which was what Gohan was when he destroyed Cell. Gohan never learns how to do USSJ, because Goku knows that it won't work against Cell. I think USSJ is sort of an extension of SSJ 1, whereas SSJ2 is, although in appearance quite similar to SSJ1, actually a separate and distinct form.

i know ssj2 is also called an ascended saiyan

Originally posted by yungz22
i know ssj2 is also called an ascended saiyan

Is it? I was never sure if ascended saiyan was what Goku and Vegeta achieved in the HTC or if it was SSJ2. Goku and Vegeta don't really transform at all, they just increase their power levels enormously.

USSJ seems fairly useless to me- if anything, you want speed more than strength, certainly not the other way round.

If its the Vegetto at the time he was shown then Goku/Vegeta don't know ssj4, but if its Vegetto from a fused Goku/Vegeta during GT then Vegetto goes ssj4 and is tons stronger than Gogeta. Gogeta's signature move was weird though since it used your own ki against you but that would be his only chance.

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Broly one shotted it and its not that weird since the anime has Buu one shotting a galaxy in a flashback too and Bojack was powerful enough to blow one.

Originally posted by Slaanesh
r u comparing planets to galaxy...
a guy who can one shot a galaxy..can never be one shot by a guy who at best can one shot a planet..
broly got one shot by goku who at best can one shot a planet
..that's why i said the one shooting galaxy thing is plain stupid..if he has the power to do that..he would have never get one shot by goku..

Thats just f'ing nonsense. and obviously by your own logic Goku can do a lot more damage than you give him credit for.

Vegeta was 'ascended' when he called himself Super Vegeta, its not the same as ssj2.

Everyone gets defeated.
But if we assume that Vegetto can go SSJ4, Gogeta gets murdered.

Originally posted by TheBadguy

Broly one shotted it and its not that weird since the anime has Buu one shotting a galaxy in a flashback too and Bojack was powerful enough to blow one.

Thats just f'ing nonsense. and obviously by your own logic Goku can do a lot more damage than you give him credit for.

wut??Buu never one shot a galaxy..not in the manga..

do u know what i was talking about??i was saying that broly one shotting a galaxy is STUPID..it shouldn't even be there..a guy who was powerfull enough too one shot a galaxy got one shot by a guy who can one shot planet..how ridiculous is that..that's what i was trying to argue..the one shotting galaxy feat was !!STUPIDDD!! no one in DB can do that..

Originally posted by Slaanesh
wut??Buu never one shot a galaxy..not in the manga..

do u know what i was talking about??i was saying that broly one shotting a galaxy is STUPID..it shouldn't even be there..a guy who was powerfull enough too one shot a galaxy got one shot by a guy who can one shot planet..how ridiculous is that..that's what i was trying to argue..the one shotting galaxy feat was !!STUPIDDD!!

Do you know how to read? I said in the ANIME they have Buu one shotting one. Goku can do a lot more than one shot a planet, which is obvious because he was able to hurt Broly at all. Freeza can one shot a planet. Goku is multiples on multiples times more powerful than him. It doesn't matter if you like it or not Broly did it.

Originally posted by TheBadguy
Do you know how to read? I said in the ANIME they have Buu one shotting one. Goku can do a lot more than one shot a planet, which is obvious because he was able to hurt Broly at all. Freeza can one shot a planet. Goku is multiples on multiples times more powerful than him. It doesn't matter if you like it or not Broly did it.

what happen in the anime that did't happen in manga is not cannon..i know u said anime..

freeza attack only destroy the core of the planet 😬
the only person that has been show to instantly destroy a planet is BUU..but i know all SSJ can instantly destroy planet..that doesn't mean they can destroy galaxy..u know how big a galaxy is??if u do..then u should know that none of DB char can one shot a galaxy..thats include Broly..